A player’s views on the direction of WoT Console – By Firehawk894

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Here’s the first Console follow-up article like I promised. These are the words of a normal/random player from the community. I also need to thank everyone who has reached me with more Console feedback, I am currently trying to reach everyone. – Rita

Author: Firehawk894

World of Tanks console has been the only WG game I have played to date and I have enjoyed a lot of my time spent playing it, from the initial release all the way up to present date. When the game first came out, a lot of people were excited that they could join the action the people on PC played, without having to use their trackpads or coal-powered computers, and a lot of people took the devs as being initially pretty decent.

But as the game grew older, people started to notice changes. If you found a bug in the game, if you tried talking about the bug on the forums, you would be told that the devs were “aware of the situation”, in other words “Stop drawing attention to this”. Just over the past year, the game has updated to include the new physics from the PC version, such as tanks being able to skid, use their handbrakes to quickly come to a stop, flip, roll, and much more. However, if you DO flip your tank over, you may notice that you don’t get killed, your tank just magically flips back over after a 10 second period of you being on your roof, with no damage done except if you fell a distance while flipping and that change was done very reluctantly by the Devs, only because they had to upgrade to the latest servers.

In the Console edition, there is no reliable complaint system, any complaints are made through the Xbox/PS4 complaint system. Let’s say you’re driving around in your AMX 12 t and you find a nice bush to spot from, then suddenly a wild allied KV-4 appears, shoves you out of the bush and results in your death, you can do nothing but submit a negative player review, which is basically saying “This person is mean” and does nothing in the way of actually logging it. If you go to the forums and try to submit a ticket, you will be told that submitting a ticket is for bug/tech complains only. Console games like HALO, Call of Duty, Battlefield, even Minecraft on the Xbox have a system for reporting players built into the game for years, without the need to rely on automated and often barely functional systems.

Speaking of the forums, you have to be extremely careful what you say on there, because of the unpredictable and inconsistent moderation team. Anything short of worshipping the game and holding the moderation team up as gods will most likely result in punishment (with a few exceptions). There have been a few times where I have witnessed forum members expressing polite criticism of a planned feature or the current state of the game, only to have their posts removed or edited by the moderators, unfortunately, it is quite difficult to find evidence of this, given how the posts tend to be removed after the censorship occurs, censorship in the term of the post being locked and removed, or the author’s post being edited and changed without any notice.

Additionally, there is a majorly enforced rule against “naming and shaming” on the Console forums, while this rule is an excellent idea, in theory, it’s execution leaves a fair bit to be desired. True naming and shaming causes the post to be locked and removed as it should. However, if you are showing off a gameplay video and a teammate bumps into you, you might also get removed for “naming and shaming”. Some poor sap got his content moderated for speaking ill of an AI Bot in the PvE Proving grounds, then an even more unlucky soul got his topic banned for naming and shaming… wait for it…

HIMSELF

The latest event in WoT Console is the VALOR (Veterans And Loved Ones Responsibility) Charity, but instead of actually doing something, they have just slapped a new Emblem in the shop and a notice about the event in the initial loading screen. When WG PC have charity events, they at least have an event where they stream or play World of Tanks themselves. November of 2016 had a charity stream for a Children’s Hospital, while the stream did raise a decent amount of money, the “live stream” was mostly just looped footage of a pre-recorded Q&A discussion from devs, which aside from looking like they were desperate to do something last minute, seemed very rushed and unprofessional, along with offering no interactivity for the playerbase who had questions.

WG Console seems obsessed with putting what the staff want into the game while ignoring the parts of the player base that dare to question them, in fact, you’re more likely to be targeted with threats of moderator action. One of my main problems with these recent updates is the way that the console devs are trying to force more payments into the games, via optional changes that the PC get’s for free, there have been new crew national voices introduced into the game now… except you have to PAY for them, 250 gold, you have 10 free tokens after the update with an additional 10 for every year you’ve been playing, but if you’re a long-time player with a lot of tanks, that isn’t going to do much considering one mistake means the token is gone. Speaking of tanks, WG Console enjoys introducing Premium Tanks that are functionally and statistically identical (if not very slightly inferior) to their PC counterparts but will cost more for having a permanent camo. Additionally with certain Premium tanks, will be made available in the store (The Hidden STuG for example) in overpriced ‘bundles’, usually called Loaded, Fully Loaded and Ultimate involving the tank itself and a lot of consumable items such as 20-30 rounds of APCR ammo and one premium Repair Kit, Medkit and Fire extinguisher each, and the Ultimate package may come with premium food items and the crew already at 100%. After anywhere between 3-9 months, the tank on it’s own will become available in the store at a slightly lower price for just the tank.

In addition to re-skinning of Standard Tanks and selling them for gold currency, Caen is so far one of two completely new maps that have been added in the past 5 serious updates, the other being Kassarine, the only “new” maps than usually get added are simple ‘weather’ variants. It should be noted that unlike World of Warships, weather doesn’t ‘approach’ you either have a map with weather effects or you don’t. The majority of weather effects; “Snow, Rain, Typhoon” doesn’t affect the tanks at all, there are only two weather variants “Erlenberg – Blizzard” and “Steppes – Sandstorm” that affect the view and radio range of tanks on the map. However, reception of these maps is mixed at best.

Even the WG Team are fairly hostile towards players. Console editions still have the WT Auf E100 in a “nerfed” state, nerfed in the sense of it was made slightly less accurate while moving and rotating the hull and turret, it still retains the 6 round clip however. It also had its view range nerfed to 390m after two years of incredibly inconsistent view ranges for tank destroyers (FV4005 was introduced with 390m while the Waffle had 420m). One WG staff argued that the Waffle is staying in the console game because “It’s camo value and turret armour make it balanced”. Many posts on the forum have been removed because they questioned the decision to leave the Waffle in. Some of the forums moderation staff also seem to have a personal vendetta against certain forum members, which led to the establishment of The Bunker.

The Bunker is an alternative forum for World Of Tanks Console content, which was created by a band of users, (specifically by a guy who was banned for putting a “How to Play” guide into the wrong forum section, with only a single warning) ,who were sick of moderation action on the WG forums to be “ban first, warn later”. If you want to see what the WG staff think about their player base, just look at the 3.9 update news “Due to popular (and repetitive) demand-” … maybe it wouldn’t be repetitive if The Team actually listened to their player base occasionally?

Even more troubling is that the representatives of WG and WG console are both trying to avoid contact with each other, whenever players or anybody outside try to get both of the sides talking to each other, it is usually met with a very rude and aggressive response, it’s like marriage counselling…

The forums are just a battleground between users kissing up to WG staff as to not get banned, other players who think they are being treated unfairly and moderators able to remove posts and ban accounts with no oversight. Even the top of the console development team is very dismissive of any issues on the forums relating to moderators over-using their powers the more prominent people on the forum, such as MaxChaos and Raibot (not a bot, despite the name), are actually in the developer office, so it’s a problem that starts from the very top of the console development team, if the very top of the team is part of the problem, where do you go next?

To round off, I believe that the general community is becoming more toxic than Chernobyl’s Elephant’s Foot. There is still a huge divide between Anti-Arty and Pro-Arty crowds, given the statement from WG Console that they are “Keeping an eye on PC but do not plan to change to the new Stun system for now”, in other words, they are trying to delay needing to do serious work for as long as possible. Users arguing over whether using gold ammo should carry a penalty. Things like that.

Questionable moderator actions

Link I was the OP of this topic, “JesterUSMC” actually spent the entire time defending me from two others who thought that because I had under 5K games and no Tier X I wasn’t entitled to an opinion, the text removed from Jesters post was “You seem to be repeating the same point, are you actually here to help or just complain?

Link You ask why someone’s post was moderated? Prepare to have your own post moderated. This user was just asking why “JesterUSMC” was moderated for asking why the other person was here if not to be helpful.

Link No explanation given, no reason for the removal, it is generally a common courtesy to state why the post was edited/removed, Volier_Zcit likes to just edit/remove text in posts and only leave “Content moderated” there.

Link. There are two types of people on the forums; those who worship the mods and WG staff as being unable to do anything bad, and those who do not.

Link. The moderators will tell you to discuss things but will shut you down at a moments notice if you discuss in a way they disagree with. (Also note how this is the mod who removed text with no explanation).

Link. “AFK players -That is handled by an automatic detection system and is not a reportable offense” So you have a ‘system’ in place that is meant to stop AFK’ing people, yet if someone tries to give you a clear name and evidence of someone somehow avoiding that system, they will be ignored or banned.

Link. Even people on the forums know that stating the fact that the moderators will remove posts with no warning, no notice, no explanation, may very well just get you banned from the forums for questioning moderation actions.

It should be noted that YShoneist gained a reputation for going into topics, ‘moderating’ the hell out of them and then just leaving with no explanation again, when I attempted to say hello to Violet Viper, one of the people who created “The Bunker” forums. Here you can see her getting a “warning” AKA threat. For having the AUDACITY to speak out against a feature that the devs were planning on forcing in.

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46 comments on “A player’s views on the direction of WoT Console – By Firehawk894

  1. Anonymous says:

    Welcome to the world of American gaming forums. They’re toxic and moderated by idiots who let a little power go right to their heads. My buddy gets banned almost weekly from Rocket League’s forums. He points out glitches or identifies flaw in game design and usually gets verbally assaulted by their fanboys followed by a ban for inciting anger in the community. Almost every game developed in America has forums like this. They hire these yuppy little retards right out of college with a liberal arts degree focusing on nothing that contributes to society and they take it upon themselves to govern what should and shouldn’t be allowed to be discussed even though it all still revolves around the game itself.




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    • Seth says:

      Considering the ages of those involved in the moderation, I am thinking that it is more due to their fragile egos being damaged due to criticism. Maybe if people posted trigger warnings before their constructive criticism the posts wouldn’t get moderated? Nahhh, that won’t change things.




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  2. Thaldor says:

    This is like something way different. Getting banned for naming and shaming himself or AI bots… I don’t think the term “full retard” describes the level of retardness there is, in fact I don’t think term “braindead person whos brains were removed and lobotomized” feels too mild.

    I’m out of words so I turn to Captain Pickard to fill me in:
    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder419/500x/61727419/star-trek-wtf-what-the-fuck-are-they-doing-over-there.jpg




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  3. Anonymous says:

    Wotconsole forum drama? Who cares




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  4. KaitoGhost says:

    I’m one of the guys who was banned for name and shaming themselves. Yes, it has happened to multiple people.




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  5. Nice to see someone finally putting the issues with the console version on blast. Maybe this will actually trigger some change….. Not holding my breath unfortunately.




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  6. Anonymous says:

    Good post, pretty much sums up how bad it is over there. You did forget to mention that the mods have been known to edit/mod players posts without tell the player or putting the red text below, other than that, spot on.
    It’ll be interesting to see how WG console handle it and if WG PC get involved.




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  7. Ragnarokbazil says:

    And here I thought PC was bad…




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  8. Steve says:

    We get it, you guys don’t like the WGNA offices. That’s not really news.




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  9. Cmd says:

    “Discussing moderation is against the forum rules”, pretty sure most totalitarian regimes have a similar mentality




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  10. Anonymous says:

    No one cares about consoles except basement dwellers…




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  11. WarStore says:

    Oh, please. You post as if the PC moderation is any better. As a matter of fact, I recognize some of console moderators from the PC forums. They are one and the same. I got banned for calling them out on their current bullshit changes.




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  12. dawg says:

    yet another “bunker boy” leading the anti-WoT brigade
    congratulations on being able to use MS paint, real proud of ya kid!




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    • Anonymous says:

      Yet another WG fanboy leading the WoT kiss ass brigade.




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    • firehawk894 says:

      See, you sound like the exact kind of person who makes the forums so toxic 🙂

      Any dissent, anybody who DARES question WG and you’re up in arms to defend the “innocent devs from mean words”




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    • MoonEyes2k says:

      “yet another “bunker boy” leading the anti-WoT brigade”
      You know, I’m fairly sure the people at WoT, and their mods, are grown people. That you feel you need to defend those grown people…is rather telling.

      And then you finish off with an entirely irrelevant attempt to somehow invalidate the post, failing rather horrendously.
      I guess you’re the MAN now, huh, “Dawg”? Yeah…




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  13. Anonymous says:

    There are many things that annoyed me about this article. I feel it’s hugely biased, contains many inaccuracies, and only servers to try and stir up toxicity where there is already too much. I wanted to reply to some points made in it.

    This isn’t any kind of personal attack on the author, and I realise it’s mostly an opinion piece, but it’s presented as the voice of the “normal/random player” and I feel it badly misrepresents what the “normal” console player really is like. They aren’t all so angry, and most of them have never posted on the forums in their lives.

    “NORMAL/RANDOM PLAYER FROM THE COMMUNITY”

    It’s not a “normal/random player”. He’s not been randomly selected, other than randomly selected from the people that have submitted blog articles, as far as I know. He in no way speaks for the community as a whole, nor represents them, and neither do I. What I do have is an insight into both the world of the forum, Reddit, and also our own community of tens of thousands of wot console players.

    “and a lot of people took the devs as being initially pretty decent.”

    Sets up rather bizarrely for personal attacks on individuals later in the post.

    “If you found a bug in the game, if you tried talking about the bug on the forums, you would be told that the devs were “aware of the situation””

    I’m not sure what other response you expect for raising a known issue? They aren’t going to suddenly drop tools and get everyone working on a particular bug just because people keep raising it. The bug has been raised, they are aware of it, they will fix it as best they can, when they can, if they can. Would it be nice if all bugs were fixed instantly? Yes. Is this how software development works? I work in software development, in QA, and have done for almost a decade.

    “However, if you DO flip your tank over, you may notice that you don’t get killed, your tank just magically flips back over after a 10 second period”

    That is indeed the game mechanic. I’m not sure if this is meant to be a criticism or just informing non-console players of how it works? It doesn’t strike me as a big deal.

    “In the Console edition, there is no reliable complaint system”

    Not entirely true. If you submit a physics abuse ticket with video evidence of the abuse, and they generally respond with “we will take appropriate action”. That said, I’ve never even bothered doing that. I honestly can’t remember the last time someone intentionally trolled in game, and my GT is very well known. If someone trolls me once a month (which they don’t), I honestly couldn’t give a shit. I just play the next game. The game is not rife with trolling.

    “Speaking of the forums, you have to be extremely careful what you say on there, ”

    Untrue. Most people use or have used the forums without ever getting banned or warned. One of the featured screenshots you use as “evidence of moderation” is from Kev, a good friend of mine, who relentlessly shit posts to try and push the boundaries and wind up mods. People sit on the forum day in, day out making digs at WG, at mods, making personal attacks, then moaning when they get modded. Do they over moderate sometimes? Sure, who doesn’t. I’m not sure I blame them when they have to spend their working day reading the toxic shit that is the forums.

    “However, if you are showing off a gameplay video and a teammate bumps into you, you might also get removed for “naming and shaming””

    That’s because you are naming and shaming…Yea you might have done it by accident, but so what?

    “November of 2016 had a charity stream for a Children’s Hospital”

    I think this is referring to the War Child fund raiser, which raised tens of thousands of dollars for War Child. You didn’t enjoy the stream? That’s too bad. Sure it could have been more interesting, but it did the job and raised a ton of cash for charity. Winner winner chicken dinner.

    “One of my main problems with these recent updates is the way that the console devs are trying to force more payments into the games, via optional changes that the PC get’s for free”

    Yep, I agree. That’s one of my main annoyances with console at the moment too. Crew voice charges, ultimate bundles, time staggered sales of stuff, stating that things are on sale for a discount when they calculate the original price to include the cost of camo and other bundled crap you don’t want etc. Monetization and marketing is my main gripe with WG. Other than the current shitty map rotation due to removed maps.

    “Even the WG Team are fairly hostile towards players”

    This doesn’t appear to be backed up by anything stated in the paragraph it precedes. Hostile because they didn’t remove the Waffle?

    “The bunker”

    Yep, R3st made the bunker a cpl years back, great to see community people doing cool community stuff like that. They 100% have my support.

    “Even more troubling is that the representatives of WG and WG console are both trying to avoid contact with each other, whenever players or anybody outside try to get both of the sides talking to each other, it is usually met with a very rude and aggressive response”

    Agreed, most players seem incapable of communicating in any way that isn’t rude and hostile. I see WG staff get abuse on Twitter daily, and yet still manage to respond politely and helpfully as best they can. Shoutout to Raibot for doing that. Personally I just tell people to fuck off if they talk to me like a wanker.

    “if the very top of the team is part of the problem, where do you go next?”

    Raibot and Max aren’t the top of the team. They are two two members of staff, both of whom deal with community related things. The top of the team would be tech leads, creative directors, directors, CEO/CFO etc…

    “The forums are just a battleground between users kissing up to WG staff as to not get banned, other players who think they are being treated unfairly and moderators able to remove posts and ban accounts with no oversight.”

    There’s also a huge amount of just normal people, who manage to converse without having to suck up to WG, nor bring about the wrath of the moderators or get in arguments.

    “To round off, I believe that the general community is becoming more toxic ”

    Agreed. The community on the forum and reddit is incredibly toxic. The community as a whole, thankfully is not. You just have to hang out with the decent people and forget about the toxic ones.

    “they are trying to delay needing to do serious work for as long as possible.”

    I’m sure they turn up to work and work all day like the rest of us. I doubt they are sitting around on the beach sipping cocktails and hoping they never have to do anything. Though we all wish that actually was our job, perhaps.

    “You ask why someone’s post was moderated? Prepare to have your own post moderated. ”

    It’s against the rules, why does this suprise you?

    Most of the provided screenshots don’t contain the original message, so are fairly meaningless. There are perhaps are a couple of examples of mildly harsh warnings/bans there. Is that a big deal?

    Congats if you made it this far down. I’m sure most who read this reply will hate it, that’s fine, I can deal with that. But I think it’s important to point out that this article is by no means the view of the “normal” WoT Console player. The “normal” player IMO hops on, plays some games with their mates, sometimes has a laugh, sometimes get salty, sometimes rages about arty or RNG or MM. Then they stop and get back on with their day. I agree that it’s good to offer feedback to games companies, but since most people can only communicate it by talking like utter wankers, I’m honestly amazed at the patience that the mods have sometimes.

    Ben from The Beard Guys.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Of course you’re going to say that, you’re pretty much owned by WG. May not of started that way but everyone can see it.




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      • Anonymous says:

        In what way is Ben owned by WG? How much are they paid? Is it all back door and hush hush. Does he have a secret email server in his bathroom? Thats where he and WG collude on strategies for forum and comment posts! Crooked Ben!

        I assume it’s safe to say you disagree with his points. Is anyone who thinks WG isn’t 100% poop a made man? Or is it easier to accuse him of something rather than have to engage your brain and make your own opinions made.

        I feel this was like a lot of things said and done collectively by The Beard Guys, is a very honest opinion, made by someone who has the community at heart.
        I’m not saying this as a fan of TBG (it just doesn’t butter my parsnips), I just know the guy is honest. You’ve got my vote, Ben for President!




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    • MoonEyes2k says:

      “I’m not sure what other response you expect for raising a known issue?”
      Oh, how about, “we’re working on it, hope to have a fix in upcoming patch”, maybe? And not the equivalent of “stop saying there are bugs in our software” form-answer?

      “They aren’t going to suddenly drop tools and get everyone working on a particular bug just because people keep raising it”
      If people “keep raising it”, showing that multiple people have run afoul of a bug, and there have been multiple notes OF that bug? If the devs DON’T “drop tools and get everyone working on a particular bug? Then the devs are utter incompetents. Because, yes, that IS EXACTLY what they should do.
      Interestingly enough, this was exactly what DIDN’T happen with the latest big patch in Master of Orion, where the patch broke a large part of the race-creation section of the game…and no patch came for over a week. MoO belongs to…WG. Well, gee, what do you know.

      “That is indeed the game mechanic. I’m not sure if this is meant to be a criticism or just informing non-console players of how it works?”
      Well, considering that a tank on its roof would, at BEST, not work much, and in the PC version, would be rather dead in short order, quite logical as a tank isn’t built or made to take it’s own weight on the roof. Having World of Bumpercars isn’t really doing WG a service.

      “If you submit a physics abuse ticket with video evidence of the abuse, ”
      So, you first deliberately ignore the point(I can only assume).

      “they generally respond with “we will take appropriate action”. That said, I’ve never even bothered doing that”
      And you then produce a continued “response” that says that, 1, WG gives a useless form answer, and, 2, you don’t acutally KNOW what happens…because you’ve never bothered, essentially admitting that the whole thing is a shambles?

      “I honestly couldn’t give a shit. I just play the next game. The game is not rife with trolling”
      Which is why you don’t bother? No. If you don’t BOTHER…it’s because there’s no USE in it. Then you don’t BOTHER.

      “Untrue. Most people use or have used the forums without ever getting banned or warned”
      Which he quite clearly showed is so much nonsense, unless you essentially spend all your time on said forums with your tongue firmly planted in the tail-pipe of the mods and devs.

      “That’s because you are naming and shaming…Yea you might have done it by accident, but so what?”
      That’s interesting. Because that’s not REMOTELY what he said. He said, paraphrased, “if you make a video of this great game you had, and in that video, a teammate happened to bump into you” At NO point did he say that the teammate was, in any way, shamed.
      It’s also interesting to note that you didn’t comment on removal for “shaming” a BOT…

      “I think this is referring to the War Child fund raiser, which raised tens of thousands of dollars for War Child.”
      And which contained non-console WoT as well as three other studios. So, yeah….let’s keep to the actual subject, and not reach desperately?

      “Agreed, most players seem incapable of communicating in any way that isn’t rude and hostile.”
      So…did you DELIBERATELY choose to miss the point, there, or was that an honest mistake? Let me repeat that for you:
      “the representatives of WG and WG console are both trying to avoid contact with each other, whenever players or anybody outside try to get both of the sides talking to each other, it is usually met with a very rude and aggressive response”
      See if you got it this time?

      “Raibot and Max aren’t the top of the team. They are two two members of staff, both of whom deal with community related things. The top of the team would be tech leads, creative directors, directors, CEO/CFO etc”
      Ok, so, the people hired to deal with community related things, such as forums, aren’t the top of the team in direct relation to the forums? The TECH LEADS, DIRECTORS and CEO all deal, personally directly, with the things happening on the forums? That is AWESOME. Proof of this, please?

      “There’s also a huge amount of just normal people, who manage to converse without having to suck up to WG, nor bring about the wrath of the moderators or get in arguments.”
      But the point weren’t the sheep that can’t think or act for themselves.

      “I’m sure they turn up to work and work all day like the rest of us. ”
      And this is based on…what? That they show up is highly likely. Evidence that they work…seems to be in rather short supply.

      “It’s against the rules, why does this suprise you?”
      So, someones entire post is cut without any reason given…and it doesn’t strike you as strange that it’s forbidden to ask why?

      “Most of the provided screenshots don’t contain the original message”
      Ok, now, my eyes aren’t the greatest, I’ll admit that…but I don’t think they’ve ever ADDED things to what I see before…

      “Is that a big deal?”
      Is it a big deal that mods on a forum indiscriminately alter or remove parts or all of a post with little or indeed no reason given? Yeah, I’d say it is. A forum is not subject to free speech, but that doesn’t change the fact that, it’s a game that costs money, and that should give people the right and opportunity to have their voice heard without meddling from others.

      “I’m sure most who read this reply will hate it”
      I don’t hate it. But I find it either painfully and willfully naive, or deliberately full of what can only be described as apologistic nonsense.

      “The “normal” player IMO hops on, plays some games with their mates”
      The “normal” player has several thousand games under his belt. I’ve seen all sorts of numbers, but anything from 3 to 5 thousand games is still a newbie. You’re not a “normal” player if you’re a newbie. Now, the length of a game, of course, varies. But, 10 minutes is certainly not an unreasonable assumption as to an average. 10 minutes, 4000 games as an average to get past newbie status. Thats 40k minutes of game time. 666 hours. If you play 8 hours a day, doing nothing else, not even taking a break to go potty…you’ve played nearly 3 months, every single day, no days off.

      And that’s before you can call yourself a “normal” player. That is a MASSIVE investment in time, effort, emotion and potentially money. So, no, the “normal” player does NOT, in any way, shape or form “hop on, play some games with their mates and get on with their lives”.

      “I agree that it’s good to offer feedback to games companies”
      Yes. It is. Thus this entire post, since apparently, doing so is next to impossible, when it comes to WG.

      “but since most people can only communicate it by talking like utter wankers, I’m honestly amazed at the patience that the mods have sometimes.”
      Did it occur to you that the shoe might, just maybe, be on the other foot? That people are utter wankers because the mods are arseholes?
      Oh, and it’s interesting that you say most people are utter wankers…when you previously claimed that “There’s also a huge amount of just normal people, who manage to converse[…]” Both of these statements can’t fit at the same time. So, which is it?




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    • firehawk894 says:

      “The Beard Guys” … who are they?




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      • Anonymous says:

        Disgusting sycophantic CCs who will defend the indefensible from WG as long as they’re still getting loan tanks.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Oh, beardguys. You can suck my dick




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  14. Anonymous says:

    Wg Deluxe




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  15. Anonymous says:

    Firehawk894 has written a very thorough and well thought out comment on the game. I have 20000 matches played and while some of the changes made have been good, it is easy to see that the console is getting more and more pay to play that being a fun game.




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  16. Vedranooo says:

    WOT on a console is like masturbation, just not the real thing. Buy a PC and mouse and your done..




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  17. benymazz says:

    This was a good long morning read… well done.

    Console has problems. I don’t think we can call it “growing pains”, either. These are problems that run all the way up the chain of command, as I think has become apparent by attempts at communication with all levels of it.

    What really gets me though, is the part about them not listening to the playerbase. Now, I will NEVER advocate for a “the playerbase is always right” mentality, but I have to say, once WG PC started listening to its playerbase, great things started coming to the game. They added in a bunch of features removing the need for most mods. They worked closely with the playerbase developing the stun mechanic (no downvotes please, this post is not about whether stun is a good mechanic or not). I daresay that adding the swede line was mostly due to the playerbase leaning on them.

    My proof that listening to the playerbase works is up for debate, but I seemed to notice this: before ~9.16, NA was dying. We were around 15-17k peak online. Since then, it’s been slow, but it seems like we’re up back around 20-22k. It’s still nowhere near where NA was in its hayday, but I suppose it’s a start.




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    • firehawk894 says:

      Of course the playerbase isn’t always right, but the playerbase still deserves to be listened to on the occasion that they might be right sometimes.

      Instead of just shutting out every one as being a “bad opinion” it would be better to listen to everyone and decide from there. But WGCB is mostly just shutting other opinions out at the moment




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  18. Ruthless4u says:

    So tempting to leave a in depth diatribe on console lol




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  19. Shindler says:

    As a console player I was interested to read about the state of the game, what i got was an artical about the state of the forums. The forums I couldn’t give a shit about, I never visit there, I do give a shit about the constant lag we have been having for the last few months(never mentioned) the lack of information about future plans (never mentioned). Rita now that you’re going to feature console content more maybe you should consider not featuring content from butthurt people who are more into the forum than the game.




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    • firehawk894 says:

      You call people butthurt for expressing problems about the forum but you want your problems to be taken as a priority?

      And where would you post these problems to see if they can be fixed? Oh that’s right THE FORUMS.

      Maybe if the forums were a little less hostile to people, there would be more discussion about the game in there.




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      • firehawk894 says:

        Also where is this “constant lag” you speak of? My game plays just fine when I log in, I might have the occasional stutter maybe once every 50 games but nothing major




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  20. Anonymous says:

    Good article and it sums up my experience with WOT forums almost to a T.




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  21. GlennA says:

    This is why I play games on PC because generally PC devs have more experience and are willing to engage with their playerbase compared to console devs who can be a bit close minded.




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