recently Viktor K. visited the NA office and gave an long interview where he talks about E-sports, video bloggers, extravagant parties, VR, among other subjects:
What’s been on your mind lately?
Victor Kislyi: We live in interesting times. You’d think the rise of League of Legends, Clash of Clans, World of Tanks would be a time of change. Now we have change happening literally every day, though. Before, every couple of years, E3 or GDC would be like a rubber stamp. Nothing was happening apart from a couple of big traditional game announcements — a new Call of Duty. Today you go from booth to booth and see VR, AR, Kamcord, new business models, mobile killing it.
A lot of the things we have today will be irrelevant tomorrow. The biggest thing happening now in media is video bloggers. Kids and teenagers with no professional education in TV just sit in their flats and talk and play games. They have hundreds of thousands or millions of followers, and those followers follow what they say. You have to figure out what to do with that.
Can you communicate directly to them?
Kislyi: Yes, but the traditional etiquette of media relationships doesn’t apply. Those guys, sometimes they’re just hooligans, you know? They use language you normally don’t see on TV and so on.
Meanwhile, let me talk a bit about ourselves. Having all these things change so fast around us, the organization has to be constructed and tailored in a way such that it’s dynamically responding, or ready to respond, to all those changes. You don’t know what the changes will be a month from now. The organization still has to be ready.
The major value a game company can never forget is its players. We’re religiously pushing the happiness of the player. This is what we do. We make players happy. That’s our goal. Of course, it takes time to make everyone happy, but that’s what we want to do.
It sounds very simple, but to do this — a company like Wargaming is like a huge empire in Civilization or Master of Orion. You have a couple of big cities, which are your studios. Some of them are bigger, some are smaller, in more distant, resource-poor regions. You build your buildings and your army and your fleet so that it functions semi-automatically. You have to customize the company in a way that its elements are very clear, with very clear responsibilities to the business. But you also have to learn about what’s going on and anticipate what will happen soon. You have to be ready to react.
Some of this is classic business style — teamwork, leadership, all that stuff. You also need some imagination. The products we’re seeing today, the methods of discovery, things like Snapchat, they’re new.
So Wargaming is a sort of big, complex simulation now.
Kislyi: Of course we’d like to be smaller, leaner, and meaner, but at this kind of scale, that’s not easy. Organization is what’s on my mind. We know our direction as far as how to make games. But building the organization that will make one or two of those legendary games each year and release them to players — we want to do this until the end of time.
A one-time success, sure, you have that and you’re happy. Soon World of Tanks will be in operation for six years, and we’re seeing no decline. That’s a good business to have. But you have to tailor what you’re doing very specifically.
There’s always interesting platform news. Microsoft has announced that you can play multiplayer across consoles now.
Kislyi: Well, the technology isn’t confirmed yet. It’s not as if Sony came up and kissed them on stage. But Microsoft’s willingness to do that — if it happens, the critical mass doubles. Right now we have more players on Xbox historically, but PlayStation is picking up for us. It boils down to the happiness of the player, again. That’s derived from freedom of choice. People want to play Tanks on whatever platform they have. It’s our job to provide them the freedom to do that — free to play and freedom of platform.
If Sony and Microsoft can shake hands on this, that’s great. We did something similar with 360 and Xbox One, but obviously that’s all on Microsoft.
There’s a more contentious issue between Epic Games and Microsoft going on, over the openness of Windows 10. Does that show up on your radar?
Kislyi: Google and Apple and Windows 10 form one ecosystem for our Blitz players. Monetization-wise, each one is separate, but players can play together, which is great. The Chinese walls between big companies are stupid. They just deprive people of freedom for no reason.
Do you think some of that will get solved to your satisfaction?
Kislyi: We hope we’ve set a good example breaking through with a big free-to-play game on console. We’re always talking to people like Phil Spencer, trying to educate them in a friendly about where free-to-play is going, about the fast updates this new generation of games requires. They’re understanding this more and more.
Is VR getting you excited at all?
Kislyi: Every conference is talking about VR and AR. DICE Europe had a fantastic roundtable with Mike Capps. Everyone’s talking about it. Everyone’s mantra is, okay, let’s wait for the devices to get smaller. That’ll happen eventually. The installed base, as soon as it’s there, we’ll be there with games.
Philosophically, we derived an understanding that VR will take over the world not through gaming, but through other applications. Travel, art galleries, education, concerts, that kind of thing. That’ll push the hardware toward a mass market. Then games will be able to attack that user base. There will be more and more applications, including games, with more and more requirements for fidelity. That will push a new wave of hardware.
Right now the hardware is on the edge. Companies like us — we might make something for it, but we’re not pushing the limits of it, because there’s no commercial advantage yet. When more applications come in, that will push the next wave — more powerful, cheaper, lighter. Right now the hardware is being built for its own sake, to be the first. Soon there will be clear goals for the next generation of VR devices.
Is there a sweet spot for VR right now between mobile, console, and PC? An ideal price point and barrier to entry?
Kislyi: I’m not a big expert on the pricing of physical goods. My opinion doesn’t mean a lot. But I know we’ll reach that point. Cardboard will introduce people, I think, and then once you’re a fan you buy something more expensive. All the consoles will be getting VR capacity naturally, too.
Every stage of gaming, going back to the old mainframes with punch cards that gave way to text you typed in, has seemed like the end of the world. Then the graphical interface comes around, and the mouse. It’s always evolving. Blitz, on the iPad, you can control with a touch screen. Manufacturers will get there.
What do you think the next big platform might be for Tanks?
Kislyi: We’re pretty much settled. We have PlayStation, Xbox, PC, mobile devices. We don’t see anything as big those to plan for. We’re working on the Wii, on Android, on set-top boxes and smart TV. That push might happen in Asia. Pretty soon there may be as many smart TVs in China as there are people in America. They’re not very powerful yet, but they’re connected. Sooner or later they’ll be equipped with controllers, and there we are.
Do you see any interesting games out right now?
Kislyi: I’m waiting for Civilization VI, myself. That’s my all-time favorite. Clash Royale, frankly speaking — this is my personal opinion. I have a lot of respect for Supercell. But personally I don’t get it. I’m not saying it’s a bad game. It’s at the top of the charts. It’s a nice combination of genres. I’m happy for what Supercell keeps pushing. It’s PvP and it’s more tactical, which is more in our direction. They’re moving toward something more hardcore in that sense.
I wish them luck. They’re a good inspiration. They’re expanding the number of daily mobile gamers on the planet, which is good news for us. I’m happy for them in the same way I was happy for Zynga. They turned housewives into gamers. Supercell and Machine Zone and King are doing the same thing on mobile.
How was Orion for you guys?
Kislyi: We stayed the course. As I’ve said many times, we’re giving back to the community. This isn’t our typical free-to-play online game. It’s a classic ‘90s thing. We made it as close to the spirit of the classics as possible, but with a modern look and feel and the voice-over from Mark Hamill and so on. We put in a lot of effort. It was done in Argentina, but with huge input from Wargaming’s best veterans, including myself.
Steam Early Access exceeded all of our expectations after three weeks of sales. If our Early Access looks like this — the whole point of Early Access, that’s a warning that it’s not finished. People have jumped on the game and started streaming it and sending us requests. We’re taking community feedback and incorporating it. There will be a big release sometime soon. Everyone at Wargaming is excited and very proud. It looks like we’ll make money on it, which is good.
Have Steam Machines shown up on your radar at all?
Kislyi: Are they even out yet? We know about it, but they’re not a priority. We’re not working on anything specific there. We’ll soon have Blitz on the Macintosh, on Macbooks.
You have 4,000 people in the company now.
Kislyi: This isn’t the first time I’ve said this, but coming back to organization, everything has to be studied and scrutinized. We’re a huge company with lots of resources, lots of people, lots of offices. Bureaucracy slows things down. We have to get leaner and more effective. There’s no way around it. Believe it or not, in a month, 60 of our top managers are going to Stanford for LCOR, this joint Stanford-Harvard week-long course where the best professors teach you how to pivot your organization in times of change. We’re constantly trying to improve ourselves on all levels, including people.
Do you look back on any big pivots that you’ve made?
Kislyi: When we spoke three years ago, we were talking about the seemingly accidental success of one game. Now we’re talking about 16 offices around the world, all viable platforms covered, all geographies covered with operational offices, Esports — so many things have happened. If you snapshot Wargaming through even your materials, comparing three years ago to today, it’s two different worlds. By definition there were a couple of pivots. Not necessarily dramatic announcements, but it’s happening in certain areas of the company where it’s needed.
Of course, that doesn’t always happen as fast as you want it to. Platforms, new games — World of Warplanes, we can’t call that a success. World of Warships is in between. It could be better, but it’s good. Blitz is doing great. It’s a revelation for myself and for Wargaming and for Google and Apple as well. The top five are the top five, but we’re catching up. We’re looking very good.
Personally I think is the future — full-scale, photorealistic, immersive worlds, MMO battle arenas. It’ll be big on mobile. Maybe not with housewives, but guys will be playing more and more sophisticated games on tablets. That’s where Blitz is spearheading.
I saw [Total Annihilation creator and Wargaming developer] Chris Taylor last night. He told me one word [about what he is working on]. It’s “enormous.”
Kislyi: There’s a lot of resources there. As with any new game, it’s not easy. There are so many aspects to take into account — game design, technology, people, graphics, technology again and again. It’s a boiling pot now.
Are you still adding more people like that? More talent leaders?
Kislyi: We’ve been expanding. You’ve witnessed that. But we really grew too big. In three years we went from 1,000 to 4,000. That’s pretty fast. Now our focus is on streamlining and optimization of what we have. If we don’t do that, we’ll be in trouble.
If an opportunity comes along – a good guy, a good studio, some common interest or technology — we’ll shake hands. But right now everyone’s busy in their own place. We’ll do some business development partnerships, maybe some prototypes with different studios. But nothing significantly big so far.
You won’t have an E3 booth this year. Is there something else you’d like to have there?
Kislyi: I was talking about video blogging becoming very big. As a company, we have to be about our players. When we were growing, we started throwing parties and all that. We’re fun people. We like parties. Gaming people like parties. This is show business. You need to show off a bit. But maybe we overdid it.
In recent times, the last few months, we understood that there’s no excuse for forgetting about your players, even for a day. There’s no excuse for not thinking about now ways to make your players happy and so on. Chris is one of the drivers of this direction. We’ll be communicating with players more and more. More physical meetings with our players, inviting players to Gamescom or PAX or our grand finals in Warsaw that’s just around the corner. We need to reach out to our players.
The industry knows us. When it comes to networking and business development, we don’t need to throw extravagant parties. People like Chris are thinking right now about the community direction. Relating with both the media and the community, they’re becoming the same thing. In a proactive way we need to think about what’s right today, not yesterday.
What do you think about how Esports are evolving? Activision’s named a head of Esports. Peter Moore is in the same role for EA. ESPN is getting involved.
Kislyi: It’s good. It’s an inevitably upward trajectory now. Twitch and Kamcord and ESPN — these are all good sign. It’s been a bit like the wild west. Not every move companies are making is the right one. We might not be making all the right moves. But the Esports avalanche is coming no matter what. We’re not yet perfect, but every year we’ll learn more and more.
The secret is this: Esports should be as close as possible to the normal game. Our previous rule set — 42 points to seven tanks — was something that, in a normal game, didn’t exist. It was very artificial. Now we’ve changed the rules to make Esports as much like the real game I play every evening. That’s important.
Plus there’s all the show business elements — cameras, broadcasting, commentators, prize money. We’re moving in that direction. We’re not skyrocketing. But all the numbers show growth, growth, growth for Esports.
It feels strange that there are things like Esports startups. If the game companies create their games in the way you’re talking about, you wouldn’t necessarily need them.
Kislyi: Evolution will put everything in place. Some will fade into the past. Some will come up with new ideas and become leaders. Everything is changing so fast. We just visited the Kamcord office to chat with their CEO. So many things are happening there. They’re coming up with new monetization models, new partnerships, and it’s all changing fast. It’s much faster than three or four years ago.
Any other things we should talk about? We missed you at our conference this year.
Kislyi: I’m not my own man when it comes to scheduling. You know that. But no, everything is fine. Change is just accelerating — not only in gaming, but in everything around it. We use VR and AR, for example, not in the game, but for side applications. We made a VR 360 World War II battle re-enactment. You see soldiers and tanks, and as you rotate your mouse around, you’re there on the tank. We also made a virtual tour of HMS Cavalier, the warship. You can walk inside the ship and have a full 360 view.
We’ll have more experiments with VR, like replays for Esports battles. We’ll be showcasing some things in Warsaw. We have demonstrations here on the show floor, too. CastAR is doing something for us. If you use your imagination, there are so many things you can do with that eventually. We’re trying little things here and there. We always want to know what’s going on.
Do you have anything else resembling Orion that you’d hope to do?
Kislyi: We always have some prototypes going on. We have an R&D department where we put all the crazy people in one place, with some very organized people on top to make sure it doesn’t explode. The magic is happening there. With enough creativity and enough control around it so it doesn’t destroy itself — who knows? Between Clash of Clans and Clash Royale, that’s been quite a lot of time. It takes time. Prototypes, testing, queuing….
Does it surprise you to hear that Supercell killed 14 games before Clash Royale?
Kislyi: Yeah, it’s amazing. But that’s the way.
Is there a particular old wargame you wanted to see remade?
Kislyi: I have a lot of them. It’s the name of the company, right? Warlords, a very old PC game. Panzer General. Heroes of Might and Magic. That’s not really dead, because Ubisoft had Heroes V, but I haven’t heard anything recently. Master of Magic. Laser Squad. That’s a very old ZX Spectrum game, a little bit like X-Com. The classic war games, if you put them on a big screen with nice graphics and nice voice-over and nice effects, you can play it with your kids. My son won’t willingly play something like Warlords or Panzer General, the visuals there. Not even Master of Orion 2.
It was interesting hear that Battlefield might go all the way back to World War I. Is that a period of history where you can make fun games?
Kislyi: That’s the period when tanks happened. We’re going to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the first tank this year. Every big conflict is interesting from a military history standpoint — Napoleon, Asia, Greece, people study all that. World War I is the first big global conflict. It’s perhaps too trench-focused, too many machineguns turning people to mincemeat, too cruel, too static at some points. We’ll see. At the end of the day, who’d think tanks could make for a six-year-long MMO experience?
If they do it well, maybe people will flock to World War I. I don’t have any very specific comments. It’s in their hands.
It’s interesting how wars have cycled through the game industry. Everyone was making a World War II shooter for a while. Then everyone got tired of them and went on to modern wars.
Kislyi: There are always trends in show business. Maybe steampunk is next.
Credit to Gamesbeat.
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Heroes of Might and Magic VII just came out, not so long ago
And was the same or worse than 6 in every way…
yea i think he ment he wanted a game like heroes of might and magic 2
Really? I bought collectors edition od HoMM VI and i regret it so mutch. I played few hours in HoMM VII beta and liked it but the town screen was stupid and battlefields too small.
They really wont let esports go…
I wish they would.
“Our previous set rule – 42 points to 7 tanks – was something that, in a normal game, didn’t exist. It was very artificial. Now we’ve changed the rules to make Esports as much like the real game I play every evening.” You guys do realize what this means, right? Esports might actually be interesting to watch now.
Viktor: “This is what we do. We make players happy.”
Me while reading this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA
Love it 🙂
I like to use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPcod8IS214
Viktor said, “We’re religiously pushing the happiness of the player.” I can only think that he means that in the sense that WG is the catholic priest and the player base are the alter boys.
Reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbXr3GikQE
Would be nice if it were true…
TLDR interview: VR(Virtual Reality), Masters of Orion and e-sports.
Victor is showing everyone pretty well that he won’t do shit about WoT.
Nice one, thanks
“World War I is the first big global conflict. It’s perhaps too trench-focused, too many machineguns turning people to mincemeat, too cruel, too static at some points.”
People tend to forget that the first months of the war were extremely very mobile. French soldiers famously had to requisition all the cabs in a region near Paris just to get to the frontlines fast enough to get the Germans from reaching Paris.
Same for the later parts of the war, with tanks, that tended not to fare too well to cannon fire, of which there were plenty, and even hastily developped AT rifles, so they avoided rushing the trenches head first, ressorting to flanking attacks.
A properly executed WWI would be absolutely fantastic, and not at all just waiting in a trench to get butchered by artillery, barbed wire and machine guns.
The quality of small arms, never mind machine guns, made the more mobile units redundant and slowed the whole shebang to the level where entrenchment was bound to happen. It stayed that way because artillery was about quantity of explosives delivered not accuracy of delivery and while it could support a break through it could not support the development of that break through into a substantive advance because artillery was not mobile enough.
No sort of war is ever fantastic its always a bloody fucking crippling mess.
Indeed, I forgot to add the word “game”
A properly executed WWI game would be fantastic.
Believe me I would never think a war, especially WWI, could ever be fantastic. This is especially true for a Frenchman, who only has to walk to any town center to see a monument to the young men who fell in combat to be reminded of it.
While the trenches stayed relatively static, trenches were extremely long, and holes in the defense lines were made. That’s when movement happened, and that’s where the tanks and armored cars attacked, because rolling over no man’s land in an active trench battlefield, with many pieces of artillery that could make a tank’s armor buckle, was an exercice that was very quickly discarded.
If you wanted to do a ore mobile WW1, you could do the eastern front. Alot more movement, and much less famous.
Anyone who says WW1 games can’t be fun never played Battlefield 1918 mod for BF1942. That mod was one of the best and most entertaining of all the mods for BF1942, and believe me, there was a LOT of competition. BF1942 was one of the most modded games ever.
This is the same guy that said that artillery are a rare jewel in world of tanks.
Well they ruining MoO, c’mon a turn limit on that game???? Not using turn based combat? This will not be Masters of Orion, it will be a shitty space strategy game, maybe with unreal op russian spaceships.
Turn limit on the game? Seriously? Please tell me you can switch it off…
Well i don’t know, now it is in the game. Maybe they pull their heads from their asses and listent to us for once.
You can turn the limit off…
I suppose everyone is free to have their own delusions, but WoT is as much an “esport” as online blackjack and poker are.
Once you clicked the mouse it’s all up to the dice and all your skill and training don’t matter for shit. That’s not what constitutes a “sport”.
As opposed to guns having laser accuracy? If the guns don’t go wide occasionally, you might as well not have an accuracy rating.
Letting the gun settle and moving in closer before shooting would make your shot less likely to go wide, that’s common sense, and is what you would call “skill”. It involves positioning yourself well and making good use of your tank’s mobility, which also involves skill. Cutting down on RNG is a form of skill as well. If you know your gun doesn’t handle particularly well, then compensate for it, move in closer, let the gun aim, aim for bigger, easier to hit weakspots if you can, etc.
If you’re afraid RNG will leave the enemy at low hp, then make sure there’s a second shot ready to kill him, maybe your gun reloads quick enough, or you can ram him if you’re close enough, or simply having a nearby ally kill him(Which is the simplest way to do it, especially in E-sports/tournaments since you can actually trust your team).
Only 4000 employees? Why do I find that hard to believe…
Viktor Kislyi aka the mister League of Legends guy
he sure tries to squeeze that in every chance he gets
And then I read this ~
“We’re religiously pushing the happiness of the player. This is what we do. We make players happy. That’s our goal. Of course, it takes time to make everyone happy”
lol o lol but seriously
Victor, is he on happy drugs that make him blind to realty1
WG don’t give a crap about how shit WOT is getting now month by month, example – 4 minute slaughter roll over battles this now every game,
and Victor thinks were HAPPY with that? he is a seriously deluded out of touch person
” I have a lot of them. It’s the name of the company, right? Warlords, a very old PC game. Panzer General. Heroes of Might and Magic. That’s not really dead, because Ubisoft had Heroes V,”
Warlords was one of my fav TBS growing up, my father still plays Panzer General to this day, but i find it wierd he mentions HoMM, and not knowing what ubi is doing with it, for better or worse, Ubi released HoMM 7 not long ago….
I would be happy to see how Panzer General could be improved… I spent tons of times on that game with all the various units until I realized I was repeatedly bobbing, blobbing, and moving on and getting tired of the same animations over and over again. Maybe a turn based PG with RT battles could be fun. Even simplistic battles like in MoO.
Somebody tell him about Panzer Corps: http://www.slitherine.com/games/panzer_corps_pc
We’re religiously pushing the happiness of the player.
What a load of bollocks.
Give us the F***ing Chieftain.
Makes a big deal about a NA “interview”, talks about nothing the NA player base gives a fuck about. Seems legit.
if you want a WW1 game, Verdun’s your game. they recently released a MASSIVE (more than 3GB) FREE EXPANSION that adds 5 new squad types, even more weapons (FLAMETHROWERS), an almost-endless co-op mode, and a night map.
Old Verdun player here, thanks for warning, gonna redowload the game! 🙂
ps: no movable tanks (there are some static cover from knocked out Marks and FTs in some maps), but the germans have THE Tankgewehr
I wonder if this pile of bullshit is written by this faggot himself, or by someone even more retarded.
This faggot needs to be fucking ended