9.15 Supertest Hidden Stats

Rita Sobral

Hello,

just finished compiling all the hidden stat changes from the 9.15 Supertest patchnotes hence why have been so quiet, it requires me checking every tank and every model and it takes hours.

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  • Current (Previous)

 

China

Type 62

Turret Type 62

  • Armor 45 / 30 / 20 ( 45 / 35 / 20 )

 

WZ-131

Turret 132B

  • Armor 45 / 30 / 20 ( 45 / 35 / 20 )

CZ

TVP VTU Koncept

Turret TVP VTU Koncept – Gun 8,8 cm vz. 37N

  • Shells Vz. 39N OPG: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

Turret T 40 – Gun 8,8 cm vz. 37N

  • Shells Vz. 39N OPG: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

French

AMX 13 90

Hull

  • Armor 50 / 20 / 15 ( 40 / 20 / 15 )

Turret FL 10 Type D- Gun 75 mm SA50

  • Elevation arc -6..+12 ( -6..+13 )

 

German

Pz.Sfl. IVc

Turret Pz.Sfl. IVc Flak 37 – Gun 8,8 cm Flak 37 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Jagdpanzer IV

Turret Jagdpanzer IV – Gun 8,8 cm Pak L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Nashorn

Gun 8,8 cm Pak L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Jagdpanther

Gun 8,8 cm Pak L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Grille 15

Price 6100000 ( 100 )

Suspension Grille 15

  • Traverse speed 24 ( 26 )
  • Shot dispersion factor 0.26 / 0.3 ( 0.24 / 0.24 )

Turret Grille 15- Gun 15 cm Pak L/63

  • Reload time 16.5 ( 15 )
  • Aim time 1.5 ( 2.3 )
  • Shot dispersion factor 0.4 / 4 / 2 ( 0.2 / 4 / 2 )

 

Waffenträger auf E 100

Turret Waffenträger auf E 100

  • Gun 12,8 cm Kw.K. 44 L/55 ( new )
  • Gun 12,8 cm Kanone L/61 ( removed )
  • Gun 15 cm Pak L/38 ( removed )

Engine #germany:engine_vk4502p ( new )

Engine Maybach Neues Projekt ( removed )

Radio #germany:radio_vk4502p ( new )

Radio 10WSc ( removed )

 

VK 36.01 (H)

Turret Pz.Kpfw. VI H Ausf. H2 – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Tiger I

Turret Pz.Kpfw. VI H Ausf. H2 – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

Turret Pz.Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. E – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39 : Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Tiger I L/56

Turret Pz.Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. E – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Tiger (P)

Turret Tiger (P) Turm Nr. 1 – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

Turret Tiger (P) Neuer Turm- Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A

Turret VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A- Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

Turret VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A Schwerer Turm – Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t)

Turret Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) Ausf. G

  • Armor 50 / 30 / 25 ( 25 / 15 / 15 )

 

VK 30.01 (P)

Hull

  • Armor 75 / 62 / 40 ( 75 / 60 / 40 )

Turret Porsche Typ 100

  • Armor 80 / 80 / 80 ( 80 / 60 / 60 )

Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

Turret VK 30.01 (P) Krupp Turm

  • Armor 100 / 80 / 80 ( 100 / 82 / 82 )

Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

VK 30.02 (D)

Turret VK 30.02 (D) Schmalturm- Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Indien-Panzer

Turret Indien-Panzer- Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

  • Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

 

Japanese

STA-1

Turret STA-1- Gun 90 mm Rifled Gun

  • Accuracy 0.38 ( 0.37 )
  • Shells M318A1: Penetration 190 / 212 ( 174 / 185 )

Turret STA-3 – Gun 90 mm Rifled Gun

  • Reload time 7.7 ( 7.5 )
  • Accuracy 0.38 ( 0.37 )
  • Shells M318A1: Penetration 190 / 212 ( 174 / 185 )

 

British

Centurion Mk. I

Hull

  • Armor 76.2 / 50.8 / 38.1 ( 76 / 51 / 38 )

Turret Centurion Mk. I

  • Armor 127 / 76.2 / 76.2 ( 127 / 76 / 76 )

Turret Centurion Mk. III

  • Armor 152.4 / 88.9 / 88.9 ( 165 / 112 / 112 )

 

North American

T67

Hull

  • Armor 12.7 / 12.7 / 12.7 ( 21.8 / 19 / 13 )

Turret T49

  • Armor 19.1 / 19.1 / 19.1 ( 21.8 / 13 / 13 )

Turret T67

  • Armor 25.4 / 12.7 / 12.7 ( 25 / 19 / 13 )

 

T1 Cunningham

Hull

  • Armor 9.5 / 6.3 / 6.3 ( 10 / 10 / 10 )
  • Health 92 ( 84 )

Turret Cunningham D2

  • Armor 9.5 / 6.3 / 6.3 ( 10 / 10 / 10 )
  • Health 23 ( 31 )

 

Russian

BT-7

Hull

  • Armor 20 / 19 / 13 ( 20 / 15 / 13 )

 

T-127

Turret T-127

  • Armor 40 / 30 / 30 ( 40 / 30 / 25 )

 

T-80

Turret T-80 –

Gun 45 mm 20K

  • Elevation arc -8..+65 ( -6..+25 )

Gun 45 mm VT-42

  • Elevation arc -8..+65 ( -4..+19 )

Gun 45 mm VT-43

  • Elevation arc -8..+65 ( -6..+57 )

Gun 37 mm Automatic SH-37

  • Elevation arc -8..+60 ( -6..+60 )

 

T-43

Turret T-43 mod. 1942

  • Armor 80 / 80 / 80 ( 80 / 80 / 60 )

 

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9.15 Supertest Hidden Stats

114 thoughts on “9.15 Supertest Hidden Stats”

  2. Solon says:

    I literally elited the vk. 30.02d this week, as I thought they would diddle around and never get that gun altered this year. WG, even a pain when they do something right.

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  3. Anlushac11 says:

    If these stats are true German 88mm L/56 has been beaten unconscious and to the point of uselessness. Was 132mm pen with APCBC and 171mm pen with APCR. And now its 129mm pen apcbc and 145mm pen APCR? F-ing joke.

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    1. qwertypresser says:

      Agreed, there is absolutely no reason to use the 88mm L/56 as top gun, or as any gun, on any tank. Unless WG will be adding missions that require you to just scratch the paint on opposing tanks.

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    2. Otakubouzu says:

      uhhh no, stat described only refer to APCBC only, so it buffed to 145 pen. 117 seems refer to minimum penetration deviation with 132 as maximum pen.

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    4. Muhamad Adhi says:

      If you actually read clearly, you will see the data above only refer to Shells Pzgr 39, not L/56 as whole.
      So with this in mind, actually they buffed APCBC to 129 to 145 penetration median (stupid RNG median…) from 117 to 132 pen.

      I only hope this buff also apply to HT no.VI, damn tank kinda hard to play as is.

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      3. Landser says:

        It most certainly does since it has the L56 8.8 gun. It was even stated in one of the older Q&A’s. These are the stats not stated there. But they did say that all vehicles that have the L56 8.8 will get pen buff so as they can fight good against tier 8’s. That includes the HT No. VI.

    7. *since that 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 ) pen does not make sense…I was thinking that maybe Rita screwed up the numbers. Where did that 117 pen in the old gun stats came from ? Maybe the first two numbers got altered, cuz we know that the old APCR pen on the short 88 mm was 171 pen, so 117 = 171. Which could mean that the other weird number, 129 is actually 192 pen on the new gold ammo pen (if the APCR is geting a buff at all), which would not be too high for all the tier 6 and tier 7 tanks (VK 3002 D) which use or can use it as a top gun when compared with gold ammo pen on other tier 6s with a gun of similar caliber.

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  4. HaliBURD says:

    Goodbye bouncy centurion turret, I knew ye well but now you must be laid to rest like your tier 9 brother. And not even given any compensation for this blatent nerf right to the face.
    RIP Centurion family.

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    2. Jack Kenyon says:

      They never, ever buff the Centurions. When they wanted to do the penertration nerfs, the Centurion 7/1 was the only tank they didn’t give any compensation in gun handling to, despite it already having poor gun handling and having a lack of higher pen gold rounds. Other tanks with the nerfs could load gold, or aim better at weakspots with their buffs. Centurion was going to be ruined with no buff. When they made them both HD they nerfed the turrets to be “historical’ with no buff. Then they overhauled the Centurion 7/1 HD model again last patch. They nerfed it again without even saying! They have it the action X hull which has 12 degrees less angle on the upper plate. Now you can’t bounce tier 7s or T54 standard ammo off your best armour while angling. No compensation for the nerf, they didn’t even put it in the patch notes. Then power creep. Tier 9 mediums keep getting better. AMX30 and Leopard prototypes, the new M47 patton and the Skoda T50. Power creep at tier 9 is getting serious. Meanwhile Centurion 7/1 has gotten nerfed three times if you include accuracy nerf, and hasn’t had a single buff since it was added four years ago. Why is wargaming doing this?

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      1. Eok says:

        7/1 was always crappy, nerfs made it worse, but it never was a good tank in a first place. Tier 8 HT DPM and gun handling, yeah, sounds like rubbish medium in my book.

      2. Gkirmathal says:

        Cause the same reason it took them 4 years or so to buff the L56, reasons.

        Mostly Wargaming looks at statistical averages to determine to buff or nerf stats. You know those WR curves for example, which can be found here http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu
        Statistically a ‘tank’ might be fine in their view, but in game it might be a damn pain to drive, being very uncomfortable and not fun.
        This was the case with tanks which have the L56 as main armament. Looking at it from statistical view they were ok. But statics do not always reflect reality correctly.

        For WG the British line might be doing very FINE, in their pov. So they can justify a minor nerf, cause statistics wise they think it is doing ok.
        But in reality…one does not need to be a rocket scientist to see the gulfs.

    4. S842 says:

      I have almost stopped using my Cent I because the AP ammo’s high cost makes it a credit loser to often. Now, with the turret nerf, there is even less incentive to fight this tank. I prefer to use my Panther II and FCM 50T whose ammo cost as about 1/3 of the Cents.

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  5. Enigma says:

    When looking at the Waffle E100 you can see a new gun is added but the whole tank is getting removed. The gun is the E-75, JagdTiger, VKB and Maus guns. Maybe the waffle we be turned into a t8 premium? Skorpion finally?

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  9. arandomcommentor says:

    You say the grille 15 used to have a 2.3 second aim time yet on the post “Grille 15 stats update” you put 1.4 second aim time.

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  13. Jan Manthay says:

    Just throw some numbers, nice work Rita. 129 / 145? Dont you think that needs some explanations? And supertest? Those numbers can and will change every day. And no one knows if some of this will ever go live. Sorry, you should stay with testserver data. And even those can still change. This article was a waste of time, for you to write, and for me to read it.

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      1. Muhamad Adhi says:

        No.
        Looking at Tanks GG you will see that L/56 premium round name is Pzgr 40.
        Pzgr 39 shell is regular AP shell.
        I gonna take it as 129 min to 145 max penetration buff for AP round, just like how damage roll can be so high or so low because RNG.

      2. Isnes says:

        Excpet it doesn’t work that way Muhamad Adhi. The average pen will be 145mm, the minimum pen will be 109mm and the maximum pen will be 181mm. The 129 is still not explained.

      6. It is a bit tricky to figure out really. What you wrote doesn’t make any sense, since they wrote that the pen on all short 88 mm gun will be BUFFED to 145 pen, they couldn’t buff the gold (APCR) pen to 145, since it was already 171 pen. So as I wrote already in a previous post…

        -since that 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 ) pen does not make sense…I was thinking that maybe Rita screwed up the numbers. Where did that 117 pen in the old gun stats came from ? Maybe the first two numbers got altered, cuz we know that the old APCR pen on the short 88 mm was 171 pen, so 117 = 171. Which could mean that the other weird number, 129 is actually 192 pen on the new gold ammo pen (if the APCR is geting a buff at all), which would not be too high for all the tier 6 and tier 7 tanks (VK 3002 D) which use or can use it as a top gun when compared with gold ammo pen on other tier 6s with a gun of similar caliber.

    2. Cricked says:

      @ Jan Manthay – Everything is always subject to change, are you suggesting she just write the patch notes after the patch has been released? I appreciate the effort Rita puts in and even if some of this data changes it’s good insight into what they are considering for each tank. Why don’t you just stick to the patch notes? Why go through the trouble of writing such a negative comment?

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      1. I actually have planned to do this again on the last Test Server iteration when numbers wont be changed anymore (if they do). The numbers you see are average. do you guys want me to put average and actual values together next time? Will take me longer but I dont mind if you want.

  15. Metzger says:

    I still wonder what are the shell velocity changes for the shells in the KanJgPz. It’s mentioned in the 9.15 preview on the website, but no real numbers. Any numbers @Rita?

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  16. Klompert says:

    concerning 8,8cm /L56
    I think it’s a mix up of the pen values:
    Today standrd 132mm and 171 mm with Gold, Rita wrote 117mm (change of 7 and 1)
    With 9.15 it should be 145mm with Standard and 192mm with Gold, Rita wrote 129mm (change of 9 and 2)
    with best regards

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  20. Klompert says:

    I think it’s a twist of the pen values:
    today: 132mm pen std. and 171 mm with gold ( here writen as 117mm)
    9.15: 145 mm std. and 192 with gold (here writen as 129mm)

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  21. Anonymous says:

    Rita u should change Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 ) to 192/145 (171/132) so it makes sense

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  22. Landser says:

    What i don’t get is why do they buff the Tiger 1 L56 since it came in the form of the HT No. VI and that version will never come out as a premium. Maybe a special historical battle tank? 😀

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    1. Teknokraatti says:

      What they did is that they buffed the PZGR 39, a shell that is the normal AP round for all 8,8 L/56 guns. This affects every tank using that gun, meaning that all tanks with that gun get the buff. Rita has just listed all tanks that reap the benefits. One of them happens to be the Tiger 1 L/56.

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      2. Teknokraatti says:

        Why does it not?The shell got its minimum and average pen buffed. The minimum may be the lowest possible value due to distance-based velocity drop, but not sure about that.

      3. what do we know about the current short 88 mm gun ? -it’s pen is 132 (AP), 171 (APCR) and it’s standard shell pen with AP is 99(min) – 165(max)….and we know it’s AP pen is gonna get buffed to 145….
        -numbers 129 and 117 do not make any sense, whatsoever
        …but I checked on some pages about that gun in the current 9.15 test server and it’s 145 AP pen, 171 APCR pen, so gold APRC pen stays the same it seems

    2. Teknokraatti says:

      It got an armour buff. (Front from 40mm to 50mm, not going to make it a pseudo-heavy though) However, T49 won’t overmatch the armour, because HE shells do not benefit from overmatch rule, and HEAT shells will pen the AMX-13anyways because they will only autobounce at 85 degrees angle.

      AMX got a straight armour buff. Maybe 1 additional troll bounce once in a 100 games.

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  27. Someone says:

    So it took them 5 years to finally do something right – buffing the short 88 to 145mm pen. Too little too late, I’m already fed up with your stupid unbalanced game, and it’ll take a whole lot of buffs to german tanks to bring me back.

    Have fun in World of Russian Tanks.

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  30. Eok says:

    Grille was ok in the first itteration, then got changed a little bit and it was still good enough, but this nerf makes it pointless. Bloom stats and aim time are a joke… Freaking WG napsticks.

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    1. Teknokraatti says:

      It has good aimtime, 1,5 seconds is by no means bad. That is completely negated by the horribad bloom stats though, which leaves the Grille about completely useless waste of T10 TD. To be fair though, T10 TDs are generally not that good nowadays, as WG seems to have grown tired with them.

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  32. Piratastur says:

    If people with Fv4202 could get an easy tier 8 premium when his crap tier X was changed for a better tank… Why not OP WT owners will no get nothing when their tank will be change for a paper-shit TD, if they lost, no win nothing, with the change of his tier X? Maybe that WT with tier 9 heavy modules is the premium tank of the next marathon, only available if you have Grille 15 in your garage…

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    3. S842 says:

      In the case of the FV, it was nerfed and made a tier 8 premium, The WT is being removed from the game entirely. Hence the different treatment.

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      1. Renarde Martel says:

        Not just that, but people fail to realize that, with the exception of a few NA players because NA staff made a mistake, nobody got the FV4202 premium as ‘compensation’. The mission was months after the switch and also available to anybody who got CAX after it was already implemented.

        And now people want a completely unrelated vehicle for free?

  33. Ed from Oz says:

    Gun 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56

    Shells Pzgr 39: Penetration 129 / 145 ( 117 / 132 )

    If 117 should be 171 does that mean 129 is really 192?

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  34. Considering all the buffs and nerfs on Premiums,
    I think its about time to nerf the SU76i a bit and sell it again in the shop …

    I like the 88L56 buff, good step, shows WG is listening

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    1. Teknokraatti says:

      Not that simple. Type-62 is getting the HD treatment, which will result in armour update. E-25 lost a significant amount of gun mantlet armour as well with the HD, if you didn’t notice. That won’t result in the E-25 returning to in-game or gift shop though.

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      1. SlayerBR says:

        well they removed the e25 from the shop, cause they said it was too OP, then a bit later, they made a mission giving free e25s to everyone and that mission was really easy to do, thats WG logic working as intended =P, they probally bring it back to the shop or make something like that as they always do =P

  36. Paulo says:

    Turret Centurion Mk. III

    Armor 152.4 / 88.9 / 88.9 ( 165 / 112 / 112 )

    They really don’t want any British tanks to shine do they? The turret is the best thing going for this tank and IMO was the one asset it had versus other tier8 meds. Otherwise it gets penned all day long, ammo racked every other shot and there’s also a graveyard out there dedicated to Cent1 drivers.

    What with the recent nerfs to the T95/Chieftain as well I’m really beginning to think WG hates us Brits and simply don’t want us to support the game anymore.

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  37. Gkirmathal says:

    The L56 buff I do really like and it’s was about time! Going to enjoy my VK30.02D even more.

    Though decisions being made are so, how do I say, almost “bi-polar” in nature. This has intrigued me for some years!

    On one hand WG abides to their statistics doctrine, the “it’s statistically doing fine/not fine” doctrine and justifying buffing/nerfing stats from there. Making some things actually worse (UK line in HD for example) and others (RU line in HD as example) better in this process.
    Then on the other hand they let go of this doctrine, after years of moaning having done secondary buffs and then BAM finally the buff to the L56.
    But WITHOUT looking at stats like DPM and those previous buffs vehicles have gotten to adjust for having the 132pen L56. Like they totally forgot to check this and take this into account.

    Development thus seems scattered, point of views seems inconsistent, like some buffs stem from an old era and they are combined with the new way they want to do things. This IMO give a really odd picture.

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    1. Teknokraatti says:

      This is most likely going to be a trollbait, but whatever.

      T67 got a slight armour nerf, no other changes. Didn’t think it it had the playstyle of a frigging Maus, but apparently that lost 7mm of armour is more important than the speed, camo and ridiculous ROF.

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  41. Concombre says:

    Armor changes on the T1 Cunningham? WTF?
    Even, considering that the T1 ingame represents the T1 to T1E3, the 10mm in frontal are too small, it was historically 15.9 mm on the T1E2 and E3 (9.5mm on the front on T1 and T1E1), and 0.375 inches on the sides and rear (but never less, so not 6mm). The 0.25 inches (6mm) were only on the top and floor.

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  44. Rita, thank you for doing all that work, which must have been very tedious!

    Could you clarify what penetration values you have listed for the 88mm ammunition? It appears to be the minimum and the average.

    Thanks!

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    1. Teknokraatti says:

      Lolwut? The germans got mostly buffs. VK30.01P lost 2mm of turret side and rear armour and, of course, WTF E100 is being swapped to the Grille, but otherwise German tanks got just buffs. The Pz 38T got actually a pretty significant armour buff too.

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