Since the new Tier 10 Light tanks for Germany, France, USA, USSR and China have been leaked i think it’s as good as a time to start talking about the Potential Swiss Light Tank Line.
Also don’t forget this is my proposal, so WG might screw around with it so don’t expect too much. ( And yes, the Tree has been confirmed to me by WG but work on it will Start in 2018 at the earliest since WG plans to fix the game in 2017)
Let’s start with Tier 1
While yes, this is an Austrian vehicle, it is built in the Österreichische Saurerwerke which is related to the Swiss Saurer Factories since that’s where Saurer was founded. While the Austrian Saurer Factories didn’t belong to the Swiss factories when the RK-9 was built. It’s the single best option. An alternative would be yet another Renault FT with a mere peashooter. It’s a wheel cum track vehicle so it could go faster on it’s wheels than it could go on it’s tracks. It’s sop speed on tracks is around 35 km/h. Combine this with the fact that it has no armor and that it gets the Panzer I Cs gun ( hopefully with a much smaller clip size) it would make a very decent tier 1 tank.
Tier 2 Panzer 34/35 mit 4.7cm Inf. Kan.
While the tank itself existed, the fact that it would be equipped with a 4.7cm infantry gun is merely a proposal. It would make an otherwise shitty tier 2 gift tank *cough* into a decent tier 2 light tank with good mobility and speed but no armor at all. If the gun was to be mounted in the real tank, there would have been a couple of minor changes in the turret like seats for the loader and commander ( who also doubled as a gunner), a hatch in the rear of the turret and a mount for the gun itself.
Tier 3 Panzer 39
This is very similar to the existing Panzer 38 (t) from WoT. In it’s stock configuration it would get the historical 25mm tank gun as it exists in real life. The upgraded version would feature a bigger turret which was to fit a 4.7 cm tank gun.
Tier 4 Panzer 39L
The Panzer 39L is an elongated Panzer 39 with an additional pair of roadwheels. It would mount a 34mm AA gun which could be similar to the 37mm gun on the MT-25 maybe with a bit more penetration to not make it a turd. ( pls WG, don’t screw this up). While there are no drawings for this tank, there is a pretty good description of the tank in the archives which gives us the ability to make an Impression on how it would have looked as seen above.
Tier 5 Panzer 39/75
Same as with the Panzer 39L this is an upgraded Panzer 39 chassis and is thought to be a successor to the 39L. It does get more armor than the 39L and additionally it also receives Sideskirts. It gets a completely new turret with decent ( up to 75mm of Turret armor excluding the gun mantle. It was to be equipped with a 7.5 cm Gun L/43 or additionally a 10.5cm Howitzer.
Tier 6 HS-30-1
This is an unusual vehicle as it only showed up in the Swedish Archives. It was an early HS-30 which has a front mounted Turret with a 90mm Gun, The turret Is rather small for the gun which thus gets horrible gun depression (we’re looking at levels that make chinese tanks look good) It would be quite nimble though and quite small (1.7 meters tall) the gun is also mounted quite high so if the terrain allows it you could hide the hull and only show the relatively small turret.
Tier 7 HS-30
This is the Swiss HS-30 as everyone knows it. It’s hull is similarly shaped to that of the Panzer 58 family. It was equipped with a 90mm Gun which would have good Depression angles ( 10°-12°). In addition it has good mobility which means that in return, it would have no armor. (30mm at best)
Tier 8 MOWAG Pirat
It’s very similar to the HS-30 with the only difference that it’s even smaller and has even better gun depression values. It’s even lighter than the HS-30 and is even faster. But that also means that it has even less protection. this time it’s 20mm at most.
Tier 9 A.14/90
This Tank which had one Prototype built, was originally meant as an AA Vehicle. It was also planned to be fitted with other Weaponry like a 90mm Gun if the Trials on the AA Prototype were successful It handles much like the Pirat and the HS-30, but it’s even lighter (11.3 Tons with a 240 bhp Engine) and at the same time being larger than the Pirat. Which means that the Armor is basically non existent and that it would be extremely mobile.
Tier 10 K+W 15t
Based on the 30ton Medium Tank concept from 1950 by the Eidgenössische Konstruktionswerkstätte this is essentially a Light Tank version of the Medium Tank. As there isn’t much information on the Tank itself, it’s likely be the Same size with the same Engine (which is 600 bhp) means it could get a power/ton ratio of 40. And yes this might sound OP, but the armor is even worse and it would be a relatively large tank for a light Tank. In addition the Gun would historically be a 9cm L/39 gun with the intention to mainly fire HEAT. Alternatively there’s always the option to give it the same guns as the 30 ton Medium which i have talked about earlier this year on the blog.
Here is the Link to the Article
45 thoughts on “A look at the Potential Swiss Light Tank Line”
Sorry mate, I know the Swiss line is your dream, but could we put new lines on hold and fix the shit that is broke first? If WG wants to do a global rebalance, why do they keep bringing in more lines?
May i add that WG also told me that work on the swiss tree begins in 2018 at the ealriest since WG wants to acutally fix the game in the entirety of 2017. Besides i have nothign to say in when the line comes out, i’m just saying it comes out at some point in the next couple of years. So don’t worry, the long awaited fixes will come long before any new tech trees will.
Nobody will play swiss light tanks because there will be no players in wot after wg will “fix” the game.
You do understand that there is different teams that works with different things in WG right? (in any game company really). If they are working on a new line, it will not affect the game balance team.
Wrong. If they work on a new line the balance team need to evaluate it. Or if they are not given time, try to clean up the mess afterwards.
There isn’t one large team that works on a single issue one at a time.
Guys guys, this is just a blog, not wargaming’s development diary. You are all free to voice your opinions on what you believe is the most important problem but this is just a conceptual discussion on Swedish light tanks. That said, a new line, whatever it might be, does have the possibility of solving some important problems such as artillery being too much of a threat so introduce more light tanks that can hunt artillery or introduce more squishy tanks so there is more health to go around. Even new lines can have armor that make gold rounds less useful, discouraging players from carrying gold rounds to begin with. Feel free to discuss game mechanics rather than how Wargaming does business because we all know they’re sitting at a lottery machine with a bottle of vodka under each arm.
If i may correct: Swiss light tanks, not swedish
Isn’t it time WG split the battles into ‘Historical’ and ‘Virtual’? That way I could play my Tiger P without being smashed by invisible e-25 noobs…
3 blueprint only tank from 10 is not bad I think for current WG standard. Pretty nice tree idea, esp compared to other absurd ideas like Polish HTs.
Tiger p gets smashed by everything anyway…
That’s why it rests in my garage…
Ok this is silly
Ok im ready for your new lime rita
AUSTRO MONGOLIAN TANKS
This is becoming silly rita, stop
Not as silly as your childish attempt to attack Rita for the article that she didn’t post. Although it takes something that you clearly don’t have – brain – to check the name of article author. So it might be not entirely your fault, it’s just how nature likes to joke.
@MemeMachine Ok listen, mate, no need to attack rita, because it obviously wasn’t her who posted it. Besides if you would read the title you could CLEARLY see that it says: POTENTIAL swiss light tank line, which means this is how a swiss line would look like. and yes while it has been approved by WG, it’s not happening anytime soon. We’re just a blog, we are NOT wargaming, so please don’t go and attack us for no reason.
Hi Mizutayio, I think you need to make an edit to the title to say “My Look at the potential of a Swiss light tank line” because the majority of people in the world don’t know how to read and credit to you, this looks very professional, like something that would be on the wargaming home page and that’s probably throwing people off. Also curious that this isn’t a Swedish light tank line is that a typo? Keep up the good work, I appreciate the afternoon read ^^b
no this is indeed my look at what kind of light tanks Switzerland can bring to the table.
I like the concept, only thing needed to be mentioned is that the turrets are too far forward on the Panzer 39L depictions; they should be directly above the square outlines drawn inside the hull.
What happened to the Polish tanks and the Studyanki map though? Was it scrapped?
They probably got postponed. But, seriously, Polish tanks would be some of the worst. This is why we don’t see tech trees like Italy, Hungary or Romania being introduced. They are too bad or there simply aren’t enough tanks out there. Sweden and Czechoslovakia were very lucky to get their own tech tree thanks to thorough research into the archives. But, as you can see, they still screwed up on a few tanks (notably the Kranvagn, Emil II and Emil I).
We want italian tanks,not tanks from a nation wich dindt participated in a battle in 4000 trillion years.
Again, cant wait for austro estonian tanks!
You do realize that us Blog authors have no involvement in what goes on within WG, there is no need to be angry at me for showing a possible tree which is coming in maybe 2-3 years
Just even tying to mention a swiss line even after they gave you the mutz is madness
Italy dosent even have a freaking premium tank, give me an explenation for that
Im not asking for an italian tree,wich would be utterly trash if not just a clone clisterfuck after tier 5
Im just asking for 1 premium tank in the german line,they given 2 to freaking hungary, wich what? I dindt even knew it did anything in ww2
Btw you guys made an awesome hetzer like td in 1947,but really asking for a tree before italy?
Bet you would like an israeli or brazilian tech tree
Sorry if i sound like a triggered patriotic twat,im just angry that they keep ignoring one of the most important countries in ww2
I mean, im ok if they given tanks to sweden, wich are very unique, but why dont they freaking add the italiaj tree in wows?
We had the best pre war navy in europe,and they are adding freaking 70s russian destroyers and polish ships? Give me a break!
Well first of aall, we can sadly not decide what Wargaming does ad and what it doesn’t i mena there are a lot of things where i’m questioning the intelligence from the WoT Devs. And also i have never claime to say that i want a Swiss tree before an italian one. I’m just listing on what Switzerland could be able to offer due to the fact that switzerland just is one of the nations that i am most familiar with.
I mean i know a couple of people working on different lines:
Vollketten for italy
Life In Black for Israel
Karinka for Hungary
SovietTenkDestroyer for Romania
So there is no shortage of Nations. For Exemple i’m talking a lot with vollketten who is helping me a lot with my proposal for a swiss tree, and even he sais that it’s likely to see the swiss before italy since Switzerland just had a complete tree before italy did and in the end it all boils down to what WG wants. nothing we can decide sadly.
In fact i have heared Rumors that WG is reconsidering the EU tree, which again neither me nor you can have any impact on.
Yes but again, if they are not even considering the line
WHY NOT JUST ADD 2 OR 3 PREMIUM TANKS?
If they are planning on adding the italian line, but it would take 20 years to be added, just give us 1 italian tank
Wot is has been out from 2010,how did the immense wot team still dindt said “no” or “yes” to the tech tree
I JUST WANT AN ANSWER,I WAITED FRAKING 4 YEARS TO GET AN ANSWER, GIVE ME A NO OR A YES
OR JUST GIVE ME 1 DAMN TANK, 1!
As i’ve said, i can’t say wather it’s a yes or no, but based upon what i do know, it’s a 95% chance to see an Italian Tree.
Wrong tier placement. Remember, new scouts have +2 MM. You cant put a 90 mm gun on a T6 light tank (90 mm is a heavy tank gun on that tier). Try it with a T5 medium tank gun and it might work work well
There’s still the ELC AMX, and that thing has a 90mm gun at tier 5, it gets a extremely long reload and bad gun stats, and has absolutely no depression. and with the new MM changes it’s gonna get moved up a tier at best. So give this thing even worse gun stats then the ELC and you have a tank that only really can fire when it has the blessing of stalin
ELC just works because it doenst have a turret!
In addition, not all lights have +2 mm, such as the crusader at tier 5, and the A-20, AMX-40, valentine, and Ke-Ho at tier 4.
What happened to the abandoned 2nd French heavy mini-line?
Worst line ever 😀 LOL
Thanks for the interesting article, Mizutayio 🙂
These look great, with the Swiss we can have at least two full lines unlike the Italians who don’t even have a complete line, even with copied tanks!
Yea i mean is not like italy was the most important south european target for the allies and it had the 4th most powerful pre war navy
Yea lets just add a country wich became neutral in the 1200s .
IS NOT LIKE ITALY WAS IMPORTANT IN WW2 AM I RIGHT GUYS AM I RIGHT
IS NOT LIKE WE CANT JUST ADD 1 ITALIAN PREMIUM TO THE GERMAN LINE LIKE THEY DID WITH THE HUNGARIANS AM I RIGHT GUYS AM O RIGHT?
WTS italian WW2 rifle, mint condition, never shot, once thrown away.
Keep the A.14/90 a twin gun tank with a four shot magazine and a 25 second reload to give the BatChats a run for their money.
The A.14 in the image is the AA Variant, the LT variant just gets a boring single 90mm gun
Mizutayio, do u have a contact email?
Still dont get me wrong, great article, nice summery and was nice to read 😀
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I think better:
9 – Panzer 30t mit 90 mm
10 – Panzer 30t mit 105 mm
A14/90 – premium tier 8
As a result we will receive unique light tanks with good turret armor on 9 and 10 tiers.
PLEASE don’t put the MOWAG Pirat in the light tank line. It was a tank destroyer and since the swiss had just enough tank destroyers to make a td line you should probably put it in td line.