Author: SP 15
Welcome back everybody!
Before we get to the article id like to update you on the lack of content from me lately and the direction i will be taking my articles in the future, but if you just want to get to the good stuff feel free to skip to the Sweden in war thunder section.
A new focus
For the past year Ive been thinking a lot about what I should do with my articles. Ive been rather unhappy with the direction wot has taken recently, we have seen the introduction of more and more borderline overpowered premium tanks, the move away from historical stats, the sir foch situation and so on. I recognize that a lot of you might not care about that, but to me this has been very discouraging as one of the main goals of my articles was always to get the vehicles I wrote about into WoT.
This is not to say that I have completely given up on WoT as there are still many tanks I really wish to see in that game. But it just does not makes any sense for me to spend hundreds of hours researching vehicles and writing articles about them if the balance team is just going to strip away their unique elements to make them fit whatever playstyle they had in mind. And this is why I pretty much stopped making articles after the introduction of the Swedish tech tree.
There was always an alternative to WoT though, a game which put an emphasis on historical accuracy perhaps to a fault, and Just a few weeks ago I was contacted by a individual which had worked researching vehicles for that game. And this brings us to why I’m making this article, you see I had always dismissed working on a tree for War Thunder due to their stance on “paper” vehicles. A large portion of the most interesting Swedish tanks never left the drawing board or mock-up stage and therefore wouldn’t be allowed in WT. But after some research I actually found that there were just as many interesting machines that could work for WT.
TL;DR
So i’ve decided that it was time my articles made a return with a new focus on the possibility of building a Swedish tech tree for WT and vehicles that would fit that game. Therefore starting next week the Swedish tanks series will make its return with weekly articles for the rest of the year, and as part of this I will also be re-making some of my earlier Swedish tanks Articles.
Sweden in War Thunder?!
In Episode 67 of War Thunder: The Shooting Range a player brought up the question of a Swedish tech tree for WT, this was the response he got – “Sweden had some great machines of their own but not enough to give them a separate tech tree”.
But what if I told you that such a thing was not only possible but also has the potential to provide more content than some of the current trees. This tree is just a draft meant to show what could be done, but I think it proves that there is enough content for a stand-alone Swedish tree. The tech tree features 4 lines consisting of medium tanks, Light tanks, tank destroyers and Self propelled AA guns as well as a number of premium vehicles.
Since this tree is unofficial things like the placement of vehicles in the tree should be taken with a grain of salt as they are likely to change. There are also some vehicles that might not be suitable for implementation due to requiring additional mechanics to work properly. And of course there is no guarantee that the tree itself will make it into War Thunder. What I can say is that there are a lot of unique vehicles (all of which reached at least the prototype stage) that could add something new to WT Ground forces.
There is room to expand with aviation and naval tech trees for Sweden as well, however that is outside the scope of this article. If a Swedish tech tree were to be added to War Thunder i wouldn’t expect to see anything before 2019 as work has already started on the introduction of the Italian and French tree’s. But with that said lets take a look at some of the vehicles.
Strv 103
Of course we couldn’t have a Swedish tree without the Strv 103. This quintessential tank will be available in 4 different versions culminating with the strv 103D prototype with the composite armor upgrade for rank 6. Its a bit hard to tell just how it would perform in War Thunder due to its autoloader and odd armor layout. But what can be said for sure is that it has the potential to be one of the deadlier vehicles in the game thanks to its mix of good mobility, low profile and awesome firepower for its rank. In fact there are so many variables with this tank that I think the specifics are better saved for a full article on the subject.
Ikv 91
As the rank 5 in the light tank line the ikv 91 offers some of the better mobility at its rank with a 65 kph top speed and amphibious capability. In many ways its a Swedish counterpart to the Object 906 found in the Soviet light tank line, though with double the gun depression at -10°. The ikv 91 is armed with a 90 mm low pressure cannon which is capable of 350 mm of penetration with its 1970’s HEAT-FS ammunition. The main gun is supplemented by a coaxial and an external 7,62 mm machinegun.
At rank 6 you will find an upgraded version of this vehicle in the form of the Ikv 91-105. As its name suggests this vehicle is armed with the 105mm L7 gun which will provide a substantial advantage in firepower for this mobile platform.
Lvkan 4501
But maybe light tanks just isn’t your thing? Maybe a flack truck is more your style? Introducing the Lvkan 4501 also known as the FAK 120 X 53. With the Lvkan 4501 you can enjoy all the benefits of a 120mm truck mounted autocannon including but not limited to 10mm of armor protection, 70 round per minute rate of fire, a gigantic profile, 830m/s muzzle velocity and so much more.
In all seriousness this vehicle might be stretching things a bit to much but it was just too… Interesting to leave out. One example of the Lvkan 4501 was actually used by the Swedish military as a heavy anti aircraft gun but only one was produced since surface to air missile systems were starting to take over its intended role by the time it was finished.
Sav m/48
A more reasonable take on the on the concept of a self propelled 12cm autocannon is available in the form of the Sav m/48. Essentially the Sav m/48 is a highly mobile and lightly armored (30mm at most) assault gun with good gun traverse and depression angles.
The main draw of this vehicle will be its 12cm L/18 howitzer which will offer a theoretical rate of fire of 50 rounds per minute. However I would expect the rate of fire to be substantially nerfed from its theoretical performance If added to the game. The vehicle carries a total of 62 rounds in a large centrally mounted magazine. Thanks to the relatively low muzzle velocity of the main gun (550 m/s) the Sav m/48 will rely mainly on HE and HEAT ammunition. Figures are unavailable for the HEAT round penetration but comparable Swedish HEAT rounds from this time have around 240mm of penetration.
More to come
This was just a small taste of what a Swedish tree could bring to War Thunder, in the future I will take a more in depth look at the various lines and vehicles in their own separate articles. but until then let me know which line or vehicle you would like to see discussed next.
what about heavys? kranvagn? the emils..?
Well only the KRV was built and even then only the hull was so im unsure how WT’s devs would feel about adding it which is why i have it in the premium section. That said i would like to see it a s a standalone heavy tank for the tree buti dont know how realistic that is.
sp15 according to all I’ve heard and read from Q&A’s and Shooting Range videos, and the plans to 2017 video as well, you should expect the following «we are preapring a insteresting surprise with Swedish and Czech vehicles, stay tunned for news to come»
this phrase was said at the end of the Sooting Range review of the Italian Aviation tech tree, if I am not mistaken the question was about minor nations, like Poland, and their plans for them, the Czechs were not mentioned by anyone other than the narrator
they have also recently said Israeli Shermans will come as part of another nation TT, since Israel cannot make a tree of it’s own it makes sense to take advantage of what they have to offer and add it somewhere else, in the case of the Shermans it makes sense to add it to the French GF TT, since it would also fill some of the gap between early WWII and post-war tanks
following the example they might be trying to add the Czechs together with the Swedish, although in terms of GF it would make more sense for them be together with Swiss tanks, for that reason, and if you are planning to make a proposal on the WT forum, maybe you should prepare to include both options, Sweden as standalone nation OR with the addition of Czech vehicles AS HINTED BY Gaijin’s content
Considering that it would be on a br where everything can pen it with heatfs its more of a turreted td or medium than a heavy tank if added.
Is it just me or Sav m/48 looks like photo-shop?
this is the original picture https://i.imgur.com/ADniX3F.jpg
I hope Gaijin would treat the Swedish vehicles with more respect than WG did. I wish you luck 🙂
as someone who plays both games I must say that there’s not much of a difference between either company, I can point you out to a blog of someone who researches the Japanese Archives, when she has time, and writes about wat she finds there, she also helped gather info for Gaijin to use in their work to implement japanese ground forces in WT, yet she made a extensive list of all the major mistakes Gaijin did with the Japanese tanks, most have yet to be fixed
then there’s the cronic lack of performance every game atributes to american cannons, can’t count the amount of datasheets, reports and all kinds of documents that players have been sent to Gaijin to fix it
I also hope it goes better for the Swedish tanks but it seems that be it Gaijin or WG as long as you are not russian then whatever info you present is rated 2nd or 3rd class to whatever else they have, which means whatever you present them with they treat as the last resource info
btw, the Italian and Hungarian communities made a joint proposal for the addition of both nations armoured vehicles in a joint TT for WT, it has a fair amount of support and is worth checking, I guess
Isn’t there a strv 81 with rockets in the game already (british tree)?
Yep, for some reason they added the one off test vehicle with the RBS 52 to the british tree. But im hoping that if this tree happens the tank can be transfered to the correct nation (i think they did that with some italian premium planes in the past).
They just locked the premium plane and added a copy.
IKV 91 looks super good! It might be a bit OP with that speed and penetrion. What is the armor on it? Does it have a stabilizer? I really would love this tank in WT. Thanks for your hard work SP15!
Thanks for the comment!
After going trough like 5 diferent datasheets on the ikv 91 i dont think it has a stabilizer, at least i couldnt find any good proof of it. As for armor there isnt much to talk about basically the frontal armor is 20mm at best http://i.imgur.com/TaTFgcE.jpg better than the object iirc but its not going to stop anything bigger than 14,5mm.
Also regarding penetration, there is a reason i noted 70’s heat ammunition, because it has a 1980s heat round which has around 500mm of penetretion and is capable of defeating single layer ERA armor. I left that out though since that would put the ikv in rank 6.
Armor is secret but it protects against 20 mm fire. Id say around 30 mm all around with internal spaced protection. It does feature a stabilizer. And if my info is correct there is another round for it which is also from the 70’s which penetrates 500 mm of armor.
I love those trailer SPGs, don’t know why but when I look at one I always think «this makes total sense», however they would prabably make it a premium since they promised armored cars and more wheeled vehicles and so few have been added so far, some of which event vehicles and totaly OP
@ armando30wot
That sounds really strange, i mean the czech’s dont really have stuff above rank 2 unless we count stuff like the hetzer or post war vehicles like licence produced t34, Su100 and t55s. And the idea of a combined tech tree has never really appealed to me, but i suppose it might be something i will have to concider if i like it or not.
I know, in my opinion they make more sense added together with Swiss vehicles because the Swiss used a few Czech tanks that later modified on their own, in addition they used the G13 chassis as the starting point of several of their projects
I mentioned this because I was supporting the International TT proposal but in 2016 a dev said it was highly unlikely for us to see a mixed TT being added, that is why these words: «we are preparing a interesting surprise with Swedish and Czech vehicles» stuck into my mind, it gave hope to the addition of minor nations, such as Poland, in a similar faction
then there’s the recent confirmation that Israeli Shermans will be added into the game as part of another nation, like Italian aircraft were before
I think it’s just better to be prepared because if they decide to go ahead with the joint TT they will ask for help with gathering datasheets
then there’s another reason we have yet to explore, what to do with MM? will it be the 3 western allies+soviets+Sweden vs the 3 axis nations most of the times? how will you get players queueing for 5 different nations have reasonable queue times if they are fighting against a smaller pool of enemies?
for better or for worse the Czechs were Neutral until their surrender, if you get vehicles from 2 different nations it makes it reasonable to create a 3rd faction in the MM and with that create some alternative history scenarios, like Sweden + USSR vs Allies/Axis, you can always get the normal Sweden vs Germany match but adding a 3rd faction opens more possibilities, in the future they can also add Swiss tanks (they might have barely enough) and reinforce the 3-way MM
I’d love to see how the Ikv 91 and Strf. 90 would handle in warthunder.
Lvkan 4501’s trailer gun looks so futuristic…
Well it might be a little late for WT, even with the new BR additions, but if there’s a chance to fuck around with the CV 90 then I’m on board!
The cv90 can penetrate a t90 from the front. It would be rly op.
love your work, and thanks for your words about WoT and WT and how different they approach the idea of land battle. WT is so much harder due to its realistic values/original ideas/the different modi, and since i started playing it WoT looks more and more like a kindergarden to me… plus WoT copied a lot of its ideas lately! maybe WoT is the older tank-game, but WT is the better one in my opinion! even if you are tired of tanks… you can simply switch to the planes for a few battles 😊 they really deserve a bigger playerbase!