Supertest stats for the soon-to-be Tier 9 light tanks, straight from supertest.
T49
Tier: IX
HP: 1400
Engine power: 550
Weight: 22.771 t
Power to Weight ratio: 24.15
Speed: + 72.4 / -24 km / h
Hull Traverse: 44 ° / s
Turret Traverse: 45.9 ° / s
Terrain Resistance: 0.767 / 0.959 / 1.63
Hull Armor: 25/25/19 mm
Turret Armor: 25/25/25 mm
View Range: 400 m
Signal Range: 745 m
Gun: 90m T132E3
DMG: 240/240/320
Penetration: 185/250/320 mm
DPM: 2657.9
Rate of Fire: 11.075
Reload: 5.418 sec
Accuracy: 0.384
Aim Time: 2.21 sec
Depression/Elevation: -10 °/-20 °
RU251 Spähpanzer
Tier: IX
HP: 1350
Engine power: 630
Weight: 25.625 t
Power to Weight ratio: 24.59
Speed: + 70/-24 kph
Hull Traverse: 44 ° / s
Turret Traverse: 45.9 ° / s
Terrain Resistance: 0.767 / 0.863 / 1.534
Hull Armor: 25/20/8 mm
Turret Armor: 20/20/20 mm
View Range: 420 m
Signal Range: 745 m
Gun 90 mm Rheinmetall DM1
DMG: 240/240/320
Penetration: 190/250/102 mm
DPM: 2502.9
Rate of Fire: 10.429
Reload: 5.753 sec
Accuracy: 0.345
Aim Time: 1.92 sec
Depression/Elevation: -10 °/-18 °
AMX 13 90
Tier: IX
HP: 1100
Engine power: 350
Weight: 14.895 t
Power to Weight ratio: 23.5
Speed: + 64/-23 kph
Hull Traverse: 40°/s
Turret Traverse: 48°/s
Terrain Resistance: 0.767 / 0.863 / 1.342
Hull Armor: 50/20/15 mm
Turret Armor: 40/20/20 mm
View Range: 400 m
Signal Range: 750 m
Gun 90 mm F3
DMG: 240/240/320
Penetration: 170/248/45 mm
DPM: 1562.2
Rate of Fire: 6.509
Magazine Reload: 29.371 sec
Reload: 2.5 s
Shells Per Magazine: 4
Accuracy: 0.364
Aim Time: 2.59 s
Depression/Elevation: -6 °/+12 °
God the 13-90 gets so shafted, 1100 health at tier IX, 400 view range, 2.5 between shells damn
It’s a light tank, as in a scout…. none of them are meant to be able to take a lot of hits or deal out a lot of damage… their meant to be fast to spot for the tanks that have big guns… and it’s going to get a camo buff for sure
While every other tank is reciving somewhat buff, 13 90 is only one that is being nerfed. Also, worst view range from your “scout tanks” at t9? At least t49 have DPM and somewhat better penetration:/
Yes its a scout yet its getting nerfed to the point where it cant scout either.
Can’t fight other scouts.
cant out out spot them,cant out manoeuvre them wont be beating them to good spots….dead line.
This is what your “nerf” looks like: http://i.imgur.com/VoPPa54.png
Can you see it? It’s literally the same tank at tier 9 seeing the exact same matchmaking… The only nerfs are:
increased weight by 0.255t
Decreased power to weight by 0.44hp/t
decreased DPM by 40
in fact, aim time even got a buff by 0.29sec…
once again, It’s literally the same tank at tier 9 seeing the exact same matchmaking
You sir, are a fool.
1st of all scouts can barely scout on most of the corridor and city maps in the game anyway.
2nd it isn’t able to fight other scouts or out spot them or out manouver them.
3rd it is still a nerf because I’d rather have that clip potential of 6 shells rather than 4. Now if it comes across another scout unless it’s low hp the 13 90 dies. Whereas now it can 1 clip any other scout in the game.
4th it’s even worse because everything else got buffed while this got nerfed so….indirect nerf takes it out of the competition completely.
1st of all, the reason for tier 9/10 light tanks is for the eventual global re-balance that will make them relevant
2nd, why you’re trying to fight and not assassinate I will never know
3rd, it’s clip potential was clearly too high even for a light tank, let alone one that was at tier 8. It can now burst its shots and get out sooner and then get back in sooner = buff
4th, it’s not a nerf, everything else got buffed, which they shouldn’t have. They are seeing the same tier tanks so they should have stayed as is. Explain to me why scouts/assassins at tier 8/9 need such high dpm…
Do you even play lights?
On many occasions you simply so not have a choice but to fight.
The rebalanced WG does hasn’t mentioned map changes at all btw. So corridor maps and city maps will continue to infest this game.
Because of this specific reason mentioned above lights were not only the hardest class of tank to play, required the most skill but we’re almost completely irrelevant when a high tier med could do everything better.
They aren’t technically going up a tier they are getting normal mm. And with them being as weak as they already are a buff is well deserved.
The fact is all of them got some sort of buff or were changed entirely like the T49.
The T54 lt is of course still the best. The Ru251 is the second weakest after the 13 90.
Btw what’s the point of an assassin who has to come in and can’t 1 clip anything and then has to run away and survive 30 seconds (when you don’t have he burst speed of something like the TVP).
Unless you come across a low hp tank (which relies on teammates or specific situations) the tank is pointless.
This is made even worse by the fact that ALL the other scouts have more hp, more view range, better mobility. This literally is worthless.
Just checking the stats for the BC 25AP…tell me what is the point of this “new” 13 90?? It was the worst scout on tier 8 and now it is even worse on tier 9..fucking useless – with 170 AP pen and still shitty gun hundling it is one big credit sink…it is far more comfortable to play with single shot gun..only reason for the autoloader is its imensive one clip potential..while reloading that tank is useless..and todays meta is that you have to do constant damage output even with lights to win the game for tomatos..be realistic..in this state 13 90 on tier 9 is pure garbage..BC 25 AP is far better “light” tank..:(
Have you tried to get the personal spotting missions done in 1390? Scout meta was years ago m8.
So is it safe to assume that the T92 LT is no longer going to be a tier 7 premium but instead the regular tier 8?
No, most likely Walker Bulldog and the rest of the line will get bumed up as well.
This comment can be ignored/deleted…I had forgotten to enter my name after cleaning my browser, plus there’s a spelling error. Blah
No, all the other scouts except Chinese will get bumped up a tier, not just the current tier 8s.
ohhhh fair enough
Let’s sum up the AMX-13 90.
Worst view range amongst light, (even worst than T-54 L.), is pretty much on par with meds and heavy (if nothing is done).
Worst mobility.
DPM so shit it’s unbelievable.
Worst HP (sure buff the others but not the 13)
Gun gaining a bit of handling and being butchered in return. You come from having an interesting burst to go to a measly burst, the M41 will have 50% burst, it will be 1 or 2 tier lower.
Most probably best camo, but when you trade 20 m view range it is useless (You can boost your view range so much that you will end up being worst)
I like this tank even if it is subpar, but I’ll definitly hate this iteration. (By the way WG already robbed me my Lorraine to give me a all around worst tank, thanks for stabbing French light/medium line players)
IDK…look at the side by side stats posted above.
I just ground through to the BC 25t a few months ago and found the 1390 pretty fun. It was really easy for me to get into and great in top config. The only reason I didn’t keep it was because I needed space and crew for the BC 25t. It was a great tank then and having narrower MM will be even better. I’m assuming the T49 buff because they took it’s top gun. For me that was the only reason to get it.
I think the idea of having more 1:1 tiers vs the wide scout spread will be good. Now if they would stop wsting time on creating kindergarten minimaps showing us impassable terrain and do real work…
Give them a chance to implement it and just run other tanks for a patch or so if it is so bad. You can always go play another line.
I would assume the m41 will move up to tier 8 with all this because of how good it is and the t92 will be the new tier 7
Also for the t49 you have the HE? Shell with 320 pen 320 alpha
but historically speaking the T92 (or T71 for that matter) were meant to replace the M41 but ended up getting canceled in favor of the Sheridan…
but then again the UDES 3 was designed well after the Strv 103 yet it’s the tier 8….
No, T37 will likely move up as well. Devs have said that everything but the Chinese LTs will be moved up.
They said that regarding the tier 8s.
While the american lights all seem too good for their tier even now compared to other lights, I hardly see VK28 at tier 7 or MT25 aswell, they are both pretty bad tier for tier especialy MT25 with its gun.
Also remember they will have to add a new tank in each line in order to make it full, they can pick any tier. The chinese are already done but the others havent been leaked.
– Gun: 90m T132E3
– DMG: 240/240/320
– Penetration: 185/250/320 mm
@_@
Probably a typo? 32mm for HE seems a reasonable assumption.
No more hesh/high pen HE for T49 ? Too bad, it was fun with stock gun even now.
ok can we stop saying that the AMX 13 90 is getting nerfed… look: http://i.imgur.com/VoPPa54.png
The stats are the same as the tier 8, it’s going to see the same tier of opponents. It’s not receiving a nerf, it’s just not receiving a buff like the others… and this is supertest…. as in things can change… chill the fuck people
Look at the RoF, at the DPM and at the burst potential for the magazine. I call that a nerf.
40 less dpm… 40… thats not even 1/5 the damage of a single shot.
It takes 7.5 sec to deal 960 damage compared to the 13.5sec to deal 1,440 damage (which mind you that clip damage was almost as good as the tier 10 HTs) or 10.8 sec to deal the same 960dmg it down now…
You also get a far better reload as well now so you dont spend nearly as much time without a loaded gun…
If anything the fact that it can now fire a clip more frequently is more of a buff
*960 it does now
The other tanks have just been overbuffed, thats all there is to it. It makes the illusion that the AMX is worse then it is
Well, losing 2 90mm round is a huge blowback. And being 0.7 sec faster to unload the 4 first round won’t make it for that. And sure the DPM difference is not huge but when it’s already very low you cannot afford to loose more of it.
Thr magasine has less shells but reloads quicker. You wont be able to oneclip anything (and I’m sure thats the whole point of this change, avoid oneclip autoloaders especialy for LTs that are not supposed to do dmg ; as with tge T49 not having the 15cm, no more LT oneshot) but you wont have to wait defenseless for as long as you do now.
Thats not a nerf, the tank doesnt change. The clip change can be seen as a buff by some people, this part is purely subjective,the tank will be mote balanced if anything.
What planet are you on if you believe the amx is not nerfed. Do you also belive in a flat earth?
Ru 251 is the second most disappointing. Gaining a bit of gun handling and lower top speed is a clear nerf. Give it back the old 80 kph top speed and it’s fine. Otherwise, I think I might sell mine if they’ll keep it with the current stats.
Yea what the heck.
It’s main thing is the speed it has.
The fact the t54 kt is only 1 speed lower really? Screw russian bias.
T-54 also gets Stalinium armour, unlike Ru 251’s armour which is made out of air.
They could’ve buffed the gun pen to at least 212 mm and the speed nerf would’ve been fine. But we’re talking about WG here, ain’t it? Of course they’ll introduce some weird Chinese tank with 320 alpha, 215 pen and awesome aim time and nerf the living hell out of the 13 90 which, to be honest, already was bad.
I don’t know, but to me it seems like they’re screwing all up on purpose. Typical WG, nonetheless.
WOW the French get screwed again! Could they not do any better? I recall a post from a few days ago when it was said that the new tier 9s would be “considerably better” BULLSHIT WG!
So do I keep my T-54 Ltwt.? anyone? Or do I get the soon-to-be tier 8, (LTTB?) and do I have to unlock that T-54 Ltwt again?
Guess the AMX 13 90 won’t be very popular….
t49 no 152mm? BLASPHEMY!!! (seriously though ill be real mad if t49 loses its party piece)
You’ll have it on the sheridan prototype ; which will make bith T49 and Sheridan accurate.
In fact T49 should even keep its stock turret.
T49 probably will have just it’s stock turret. If you look at the armour values, they correspond to the proper T49 turret and not the XM551 turret.
And even though we get the XM551 Sheridan prototype, I’ll still miss the XM551 Test Bed configuration on T49 because 1- derp gun on a ‘tier 9’ tank instead of tier 10 and 2- I do prefer that hull:
Test Bed: http://ftr.wot-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/uFxuJdS.jpg
XM551: https://ritastatusreportdotlive.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/daw6na21ngg.jpg?w=1400&h=&crop=1
My hope is that we’ll get the Test Bed as either an alternative tier 9 LT, as a tier 8 premium with nerfed stats or as a tier 9 reward in a new set of Personal Missions. We probably won’t, but I can dream.
Yeah because having the 105 which was on like a single prototype of the Sheridan is SUPER accurate. The T49/M41 was used as a test bed for the XM551 Gun Launcher. Also if you wanna get accurate, the Sheridan should have 300-ish mm of pen on the 152 since it fired the M409 HEAT rounds almost exclusively.
Also, this game isn’t really about historical accuracy. If it was, the entire WT line wouldn’t even exist. The point of having that 152mm gun on the T49 was it made it a unique tank. It was the only tier 8 light tank that got a big gun to use. Without the option to use that gun, why should I even keep the thing when I already have the RU251?
Just a question. Will they move the Tier 8 lights to Tier 9 or are these tanks copies of the Tier 8 versions? If they move them what do we get on Tier 8?
I don’t see how they intend to make these new scots work without nerfing medium tanks view range………now days if you take t8 scout in t10 game most of the time you get out spoted by medium tanks if you try to make any kind of semi agresive move from your first spot(bush)—-that is in case you even manage to get there in first place
Ye, ye, placeholder stats, let’s quit bitching.
What bothers me more is how are they going to balance sheridan at tier X. They can probably leave diabetic reload but make velocity, accuracy and aiming time really good, which would create an unique gun. Either ridiculous rate of fire and ridiculous pen are not an option because it would be toxic af for the gameplay.
I really don’t see why they have to change them at all in order to switch them to Tier IX. Except for the insignificant health increase (not counting the 13 90) they are all being nerfed. Really doesn’t make sense to me. Tier IX and X mediums have the similar or better view ranges, plus more health, plus better guns, plus more armor, and comparable speeds. The Tier X lights aren’t looking any better at the moment. Mediums already own the battle fields. This shift for the light tanks looks like it will keep it that way.
honestly i was going for the 1390, but im tempted to literally not now……the t69 seems the better choice lmao, time to rebuy it
Do the smart thing and go for the Emil while its still OP
^Emil like DEADARASHI said.
I just ground the 1390 a few months back…I’d still do it just to get to the BC 25t which is still fun to play. The 1390 was great IMO and I cleaned up a lot. I also love the T49 derp which is totally different playstyle so those are hard to compare.
I did NOT think the T69 was that great…1390 makes relocating and being active easy. See a weak flank, arty alone, teammate with a few 1 shot reds near em? 1390 can get there and wipe up. T69 would get lit before its in range, and take way too long to move. Having said that the T57 is pretty fun. I’ve got T57 and BC 25t…they are different, but both fun.
What I don’t understand is why would they take away the 152mm gun on the T49. It made the tank actually unique and gave it a very kind of shotgun playstyle where you rush someone and just blast them for a chunk of damage. You could make the argument about “historical accuracy,” but if that actually mattered, half the tanks in this game wouldn’t be here right now. Another point is if I have the M41 90mm, what’s the point of playing the T49 anymore? It has a 90mm gun with 3 less mm of pen, better accuracy, far better aim time, HE-P ammo, better turret traverse, same speed, better ground resistances, better track traverse, and it’s a TIER 8 PREMIUM. The only things that it loses out on is the fact that it has slightly worse dpm, 2 degrees of worse depression and 3 degrees of worse elevation, and a slightly worse power to weight ratio.
Lmao, 13 90. Because it wasn’t shit enough already.
Also, RU is more mobile, more stealthy and has better gun in almost every apect except DPM than the T49.
T-54 Lt will still shit on al of them.
Well balanced, comrade.
I cleaned up with the 1390…maybe other tanks suit you better. That’s ok, just move on. I’ve played some “OP” tanks that I really was not great at, or hated too.
Most of these actually seem pretty workable. But those 13-90 nerfs give me cancer. Why do WG have no pity for such a weak autoloader?
IIRC, there’s a limit for spotting range around 450m right? If it’s true, the amx will have a fighting chance against its brethren.. Hopefully..
Funny that T49 is faster now then Ru-251. Does this mean the T49 is one of the fastest now?
AMX 13 90 got me worried. Having lower clip damage is fine, since AMX 50 B works even though it has lower clip damage than the 50 100. What worries is that there is no buff to the DPM. Low DPM in the current 13 90 is sort of a trade off for the high clip potential. Taking that advantage away and not giving anything back is unfair to it. Yes, I know that scout MM is removed, so it will get the same MM as it does now.
Soooooooo……… is it a typo or correct that the T49 gets 320mm of pen on its HE rounds?
So Germany gets boned, while USSR gets megabuffed… No bias at all -.-
Maybe I’ll sell my 13 90 after unlocking batchat. And gosh, what will happen with French MT line then? Still branching from LT line? From tier 8? So I need to buy the new shit T8 French LT?
Yeah, I’m most interested in how the new lines branch and what we get if we have “top tier” LTs in garage.
Wish all the lines had as many cross branch options as the RUs…
Guys, I have 250k exp on y 13 90. should I use them now on either the batchat or the amx 30 or should I wait for the patch before spending?
I love it when we screws over lt players