New stats from supertest for the Tier 8 Premium T-44-85
Tier VIII
HP: 1200
Engine Power: 750
Weight: 31.37 t
Power-to-Weight ratio: 23.91
Speed: + 60 / -20 kph
Hull Traverse: 50°/s (from 60)
Turret Traverse: 52.1 °/s
Terrain Resistances: 0.863 / 0.959 / 1.918
Hull Armor: 75/75 mm
Turret Armor: 115/90 mm
View Range: 380 m
Signal Range: 700 m
Crew: 4
Gun: 85 mm ZIS-S-53BM
Damage: 180/180/300
Penetration: 183/248/44 mm
DPM: 2511.6 (from 2252.6)
Rate of fire: 12.514
Reload: 4.3s (from 4.795)
Accuracy: 0.33 (from .345)
Aim Time: 2s (from 2.2, yay?)
Depression/Elevation: -6 ° / + 20 °
Well this tank is lack luster. Don’t even bother just straight go for mod1 or 44-100. Maybe a T-34-3 if you fancy a big gun. A smaller gun with no DPM gains is a waste of time.
It gets over 25% more DPM than a 44-100…
Technically at 4.3 sec reload for 180 alpha, it will have the best dpm of any of the tier 8 mediums.
Oh dangit. The new DPM is way more competitive, almost rivalling the mighty A-43. And that’s without the yummy stuff. I’ll have to take that back indeed, this is an excellent vehicle for the DPM minded.
What an embarassment on my part.
Despite being corrected on the DPM the 44-85 still holds little against a mod 1. That armor is so ridiculous by mobile-ish medium standards VERY few can penetrate it from the front even on the small lower glacis and even smaller com hatch.
It’s faster than a ”normal” T-44 but it still has a mediocre penetration for something that meets tier 10 which means more goldspam and bad money making. It also for some reason has 180 alpha instead of something like 200~ at tier 8 for it’s 85mm just is baffling, 180 damage per shot just isn’t enough in tier 10 games. 220 in the centurion is already awkward and this thing deals less damage per shot with less penetration than that for only 200 more dpm…
Centurion has 230 alpha damage.
This tank looks more like a light tank, a tier 8 LTTB. Wz 131 has 159 pen and meets tier 10s with less HP but it has amazing gun handling. And don’t say crap about light tanks that should spot because mao rotation prevents them from doing so. They are just damage dealers with high skill cap. And this is weird lttb.
If this thing had light camo and gun handling I’d say the same. But right now 2 seconds of aiming time for 180 damage makes this thing seem like a joke There’s tanks with 240+ alpha that have shorter or almost equal aim-times.
what tanks do 240 alpha and have a shorter aim time than 2 seconds?
I’m going to have to agree with Bricktop here, it pretty much is a beefy light tank. If you’ve ever tried active spotting in an LTTB you know cammo isn’t as important as your armor and mobility. Gun handling is also better than an LTTB which is interesting but it makes sense since the LTTB can go at neck breaking speeds and is a full tier lower.
If it has better LTTB gunhandling it could be funny to use on the few open maps this game has. Still not convinced that it would be a good money maker, though. But I don’t have the soft stats for this thing so i’ll take your word for it.
This thing now have 2511 base DPM, because Rita didn’t update the DPM and RoF even though the reload is now 4.3 from 4.8. And this is without a rammer. The Centurion have 1798 base DPM. This thing will have 2762 DPM with a rammer, while the Centurion only have 1978. And the T-44/T-44-100 only have around 2100 DPM with a rammer. 183 pen is the same “mediocre” penetration as the T-44.
And at least the Cent 1 has good pen and gun depression.
The centurion needs good penetration and gun depression because it goes 20 km/hr slower and has nearly 50% less power to weight ratio than the T-44-85 M, the centurion has a significantly more difficult time flanking its enemies so it needs a gun that can fight its enemies head on.
Love it so far. Pretty much a Tier 8 LT with regular matchmaking. 380m VR is not even that bad really.
The problem is soon it’s going to be going up against actual tier 8 lights with normal mm. The wz-132 is going to end up staying at tier 8, and it kicks this things ass.
Expect WZ-132 to get nerfed, however. It’s balanced with MM that effectively makes it a tier 9 vehicle, so if it stays at tier 8 it will effectively be dropped a tier as far as MM is concerned. The tank will not be ‘lowered’ without a stat adjustment.
Probably, thing is tier 8 lights also get tier 11 mm which tier 8 mediums do not. Arguably though, if the WZ-132 runs its 100mm instead of its 85, it will struggle to out dpm the T-44-85 M as well as dealing with the tanks fairly troll armor. It wouldn’t be a cake walk for any light to take this tank out.
I big problem is that this doesn’t get light tank camo rating which means it will be spotted far sooner. It also doesn’t appear to have light tank gun handling so for 180 damage you’ll be aiming longer than some tanks for 240…
I had to look it up, but the only tank that can aim at 2 sec with 240 alpha is a TVP VTU running its 88 instead of its 105. The tank would have significantly less dpm (2,145 dpm against 2,511 dpm) than a T-44-85M in this configuration. Please do not spread lies about a tank unless you know what you’re talking about.
On further note: the T-44-85’s camo rating is above average. It really doesn’t need to retain its camouflage on the move, that would make the tank overpowered.
CDC also has 2.1 seconds, Chieftain/T95 has 2.1 seconds, TVP VTU indeed has sub 2 seconds the STA-2 has 2.01 seconds, T-44-100 has 2.1 seconds while you’re not aiming longer the difference in alpha and aiming time is pretty ridiculous. Again, I haven’t seen the hidden soft stats but with the information presented here 2 seconds looked atrocious. People say the DPM is higher and that would make it less of an issue but if it really only had 200 dpm extra for this gun in that case I would have said this tank is garbage as a premium medium.
That said, unless it’s hidden soft stats are fantastic on the gun I’ll not buy it myself since it’s harder to make money in something that needs to flank on the corridor maps of today.
Not sure if already made the round, but Youtuber JoergSpace has a sponsored video with invite code (7 days premium time, 250 gold, and free Churchill III Tank): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq-4YvujF1c
This video was also sponsored, but I find it interesting to see real live armor penetration tests. (Same invite code in the description of the video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOFDHX22nh4
DecoNoir, your dpm value for this tank has not been updated since you updated the tank’s reload speed from 4.7 to 4.3. The DPM value is now 2511 instead of 2252.
That would actually make this tank a lot better with that crazy dpm.
Though I can already see unicorn premium spam coming with that amount of dpm then again you’ll get hit for 180 which is nothing at the tier so you should have plenty of time to escape without much damage I guess…
I play the T-44-100 and it has the same penetration, you don’t really need to fire gold unless you’re doing something that will lose you the game like taking on enemy heavy tanks head on in a medium. The DPM was already well above average, now you can get the dpm to 2800 with rammer and vents, might be higher with food but the tank might become a not so stealthy, turreted E25
This is a joke, right? Last time I saw this it was going to be a tier 7.
This tank was fun when it was a tier 7 pref tank in the test server couple years back. Now they are trying to balance it as a regular tier 8 and I hope WG can do it.