From WoT Portal: Update 9.22 will take on the nation’s least played tanks, revitalizing them through an injection of new vehicles, structural re-shuffles, and several come-backs.
First, a quick refresher as to why this is happening. The SU-100M1 and its peers are rarely seen on battlefields, just like Soviet rear-turreted mediums. Blame it on the rather complex play style, the drastic changes in gameplay from tier to tier, or the combination of these two, it doesn’t change the fact. Few would unlock them, and even fewer would play them. This round of Tech Tree revisions is designed to make them relevant again by giving each line a consistent structure and pronounced gameplay narrative. On top of that, the update offers a fresh take on HT gameplay with new rear-turreted vehicles at Tiers VIII–X.
Medium Tanks
The A-44 line taught you little about the tank that you will be playing at Tier X. Having mastered the ins and outs of rear-turreted mediums at Tiers VII–IX, one would naturally expect similar gameplay at the top. But instead, you were treated to a classic close-range MT, which caused a lot of frustration and seriously undermined the line’s popularity. It was quite a bumpy ride, so it’s not surprising only a few people wanted to go down this line.
What could possibly convince you to give it a second chance? Perhaps, giving it the very thing it lacked in the first place: consistency. Update 9.22 does it by moving the Object 430 down to Tier IX, where it forms a mini-line of well-armored assault MTs with high alpha.
The rear-turreted trio will eventually get a new Tier X, too. It will continue the line’s legacy of tough turret armor, offering gameplay that feels like a natural progression from the Object 430 Variant II.
Pointing their pike noses towards enemies, the IS-M, Object 705, and Object 705A sport the nation’s trademark alpha, partially offset by aiming parameters. But that’s not the case in point. The rear turret placement is. Combined with tough armor, solid-for-their-class mobility, and powerful guns, it lets them push around other tanks, no sweat.
Play to their strengths, and they’ll prove handy in supporting an attack or effectively killing the enemy breaking through. They fight like a blend between the Pz.Kpfw. VII and the IS-7, and this gameplay doesn’t change as you move up the tiers. The firepower does though, from a 122-mm gun at Tier VIII to a whopping 152-mm when you make it to the Object 705A.
Swift and thick-skulled, the T-10 is often seen on battlefields, quickly changing its course and raining destruction on its way. However, as great as it is, it didn’t fit well between the durable IS-3 and IS-7 and therefore gets replaced with the Object 257. Don’t worry, we aren’t removing the T-10 altogether. It’s proven its worth far too many times over the years, so it gets a mini-line to itself and a Tier X vehicle that feels like a tangible step-up from it. We’re still working on this newcomer and will reveal it to you further down the road.
Alternative TD Line
We’ve been trying to bring this TD bunch back to relevance for quite a while now. Simply tweaking vehicle parameters in Update 9.20 took us nowhere. We were fully aware of the problem and designed a new solution, which is reworking the line into mid-to-close range assault TDs.
Concept
- High forward and backward mobility combined with medium maneuverability, which lets them quickly reach and occupy key positions and retreat back to safety
- Good frontal armor to deflect enemy shells, but weak side armor and lower front plates
- Average damage per shot with a high reload time to compensate for mobility and protection
- Accuracy and aiming time balanced to make them effective at short-to-medium range, but also reduce their effectiveness at long range
- Poor elevation angles due to historical design
Reshaping the line off this concept called for a set of structural and balance tweaks. We started by moving the Object 263 down a tier, where it can make a sensible contribution with its damage per shot and armor. The next step was designing the right vehicle for Tier X, and we picked the Object 268 Variant 4 for this role. It inherits the speed, armor and good gun from its predecessors, but unlike them, it can mount a gun above 130-mm, doesn’t suffer from an open hatch, and dishes out 650 damage per shot.
The Object 263 and Object 268 Variant 4 showed excellent results in the tests. The vehicles perfectly blocked the damage and performed as assault TDs—fast, armored with an average damage per shot and not very big DPM for TDs. However, you spoke out against moving the Object 263 to Tier IX and we couldn’t ignore it. So we took them both for another round of testing to verify the initial results. The Object 263 remained untouched, but we reduced the Object 268 Variant 4 alpha strike from 750 to 650 to eradicate the abrupt change in alpha damage and reload time between Tiers VIII and Tier X.
ehhhh fuck that shit i wanted that 430 V2 at tier 8, and now its not happening sigh’s may aswell play something else looks like a waste of time play this game and waiting for something good to happen…………..
So if you have the T-10 researched and bought are you going to have both the T-10 and Obj. 257 in 9.22 or what? Cause a while ago they said that you should buy the T-10 now with the holiday discount to start the new line as its released, but now that doesn’t look like you’re going to keep the T-10…
You will keep the T10 and get the Obj 257 as well
So, if I understand it right, if I have T10 in garage, I will also get a object 257 of equal research level?
If you have IS-7 researched, all your experience on T-10 will move onto Object 257 to prevent you from grinding for the wrong tank.
Well when I began playing I grinded up to the KV-1. It was at this point that I realized all Russian tanks are just better than all other nations. I did not play any Russian tanks ever since. Now they bring Russian bias on a completely new level. I might quit playing after 20k battles in American tanks.
Sounds like u’re the one with a biased problem. This is still a Russian game. To expect them to cater to everyone equally is just laughable b/c it’s Russia
Russian bias? If you haven’t noticed that in the past year the only things worth playing are the newer tanks and the Russian meds and the newly buffed IS7 are the only Russian top tiers worth playing. If you want a 750 alpha TD why play Obj. 268 over the Grille 15? If you want arty why play Obj. 261 over the BC arty or CGC? Why play and IS4 over a Maus if you wanna sidescrape? Yea there are a few special snowflakes in the tree like the Obj. 263 that are special in their own way and they are removing it so they are kinda killing off the line and the new heavy on paper is bad unless it is actually special when played we shall see. Anyway, the idea of Russian bias is honestly quite stupid if someone actually bothered to look at the state of the game now. I admit they are retard proof, great for beginners to play like headless chickens and not get punished, but they are by no means over powered to the point “Russian bias” exists. Unless you’re talking about lower tier then we all know the great balancing going on down there. T67s seal clubbing, T-34-85Ms having medium tank dpm and heavy tank armor etc. But I only play high tiers unless grinding so I wun say anything about that since I dun wanna talk out of my ass when I dun know shot to me what an essay
It says the same regarding the 263 (Tier 10) and we will not keep it either. I won’t count on that.
hmmmmmmmmm more fuck arounds
So all those on the 416 are screwed
So does the su 122 54 become a premium? Like the 183?
Just goes to show wg don’t play their game. the o430 and 263 are fabulous in the correct playstyle. I don’t want a new playstyle obj 430 and i certainly don’t want this v4 (have 430 & at 122 54 and used discounts on the line)
Sorry for exceeding the daily comment quota but i just realized
Wg “We are changing this line because not enough people want to play it”
Community feedback “Well, im not going up this anymore. its shit and a clone”
Oh for god’s sake don’t touch the Obj 263 at Tier 10.
Give us Obj 268 V4 as an alternative like WZ-111 5A.
It is not clear what will happen to the SU-122-54? but it seems to imply it will remain in the game, See item #6 under the Su-122-54 write up.
Just because they are leaving the stats doesn’t mean they are leaving the tank. If I recall, marks and such earned on the Waffle Dragon can still be seen, and we know that thing ain’t coming back anywhere but China.
There is mistake! IS-M will not be researchable from IS but from KV-13(2018 preview mentioned it)
Apparently people didn’t like it so they changed it to IS.
I was playing SU-122-54 leisurely to reach Obj263. Now they’re kicking it to tier9 and bringing a new tier10, which I did not want anyway. I already have E3 and E4, why would I want another 750 alpha TD? My time on grinding thru some horribad tanks like SU-101M or SU-101 is simply wasted. I had kept going on for the Obj263 and now it’s gone, thanks WG.
Similarly, I played the 430 line and now at tier9, I was collecting the exp for 430 and it’ll be gone for a tierX rear turret med tank, which I did not sign for. I simply dont like playing rear mounted turret meds, WG, what is wrong with you?
No more Premium tier X tanks with all these top tier changes??
Players spent long hours grinding out these tier X tanks only to get screwed without a free Tier X premium?
There is no russion bias in WoT. T57 heavy, Batchat, T110E3, WZ111-5 and the japanese toptier heavies are all very much competetive and that list could include more tanks and tanks of lower tiers as well.
I love new content and besides the object 257 with its redicilous sidearmor we have no indication on how well the new additions are going to be.
I own the Object 263 and i like it but the very narrow gunarc was annoying. With 650 alpha the new object 268 v4 is also a bit more meaty. Im curious and i hope you can give the new content at least a fair chance.
If I have the IS-7, should I buy the T-10? It says with T-10 in garage, Obj 257 is added. Safe to assume the T-10 would stay too?
TX!
so, when you have the Obj 263 and the SU-122-54, do you get two tier IX Obj 263 then?
aka credits compensation
I don’t understand just what they think they accomplish better with all these swaps and removals than they would with some simple balance changes. They want the 430 to use a different gun? Then just give it an alternate gun. They want the 263 line to be more popular? Just give the tiers 7-9 more gun depression and wider sweeps. And yanking the T-10 to a separate branch, ok that’s nice but that’s not solving any real problem. No one cares about line consistency. The baddies are bad because they never learned any of the useful roles in the first place.
They don’t want obj. 430 to have different gun, they want to have rear turreted tank after 430 II. And tbh I quite like that they’re trying to make lines more consistent. What I don’t like is that many new t9s are so similar to t10s – like the new AMXs 51 and 54 :/ oh and the new obj. 268 4… well, can’t say anything before playing it. Glad they changed alpha to 650, but still it’s a bit high imho, 600 would be enough
If you think about it the lines as they are now share just as much, if more similar traits/gameplay to their predecessors
eg: 430 line: Camo, dpm, low-ish alpha, tough front (and the obj 430u with that gun is the polar opposite of what the tier 9 430 will be)
same thing applies to 263 and is-3,8,7 line
wait a minute?! the OBJ257 is already in the game as the DEFENDER , isn’t it?
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