Hello everyone, today we have been given an insight into the planned German Ground Forces tech tree shuffle that was announced late last year. For those of you who have not heard of this, it has been the dev teams intention to make the German Ground Forces a bit more historical, taking particular issues with the Maus, Tiger II (105), Panther II and the Flakpanzer 341. As I am sure you notice, these designs are either blueprint only, or never went beyond the prototype stage. Here is War Thunder’s official comment on these vehicles:
Panther II in War Thunder draws upon many historical Panther projects and developments, such as the Panther II chassis that was built but is also armed the advanced Schmalturm turret design as well as incorporating plans to mount an 8.8cm on a Panther and several other proposals such as engine improvements and IR technology. All of which are historical proposals or actually built, but not on the real Panther II. The version we have in game is not the Panther II as it historically should be. As such, with the advent of the Leopard family as well as the incoming M48A2 C in 1.91, the Panther II will be retired to a collectable vehicle for all who owned it before the update.
Flakpanzer 341 Coelian:
The Flakpanzer 341 or “Coelian” as it originally was is a German SPAAG design based on the Panther chassis. Previously it occupied the Rank V spot before switching places with the more advantageous and deadly Kugelblitz in game and has since been the Rank IV German SPAAG. Whilst the vehicle was fully designed and proposed, due to the wartime situation no full prototype or production model was ever created. Only a full scale wooden mockup of the weaponry and turret, mounted on a full metal Panther chassis was ever made of this machine. In 1.91, the Ostwind II will take its position in the research tree and the Flakpanzer 341 will become a collectable vehicle as it was never fully completed project and other late war SPAAGs already offered superior alternatives to this machine.
Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K):
Veterans of War Thunder Ground Forces will remember that the Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) was the crown jewel of the German tree during the early stages of development. Added as a counterpart to the IS-4 at the time, this tank is based on a 1944 Krupp proposal to mount the 105mm KwK L/68 cannon on the existing Tiger II design that was rejected and never actually built. Ground forces and the German tree in particular has expanded exponentially since this tank was a necessary requirement for the German lineup and it no longer has a requirement to be within the main tree as a researchable vehicle.
In game the Maus is really the natural equivalent of other rare vehicles like the IS-7 and E-100. Large numbers of these machines should never really be present and the role that they play is very limited. In the exact case of the Maus, its exceptionally strong armour can be a menace for lower rank ground vehicles, whilst higher rank machines with more powerful APDS, HEAT or even APFSDS have no trouble overriding the Maus’s one key advantage. The design of the tank sacrifices speed and maneuverability for this overwhelming armament and protection which outclasses almost all WW2 designs, yet becomes rather meaningless when compared to postwar designs. As such, with Update 1.91 the Maus will become a rare event collectable vehicle. Being removed from standard research and will now only be obtainable in future events and other opportunities later in the future.
The German Patton, this will be introduced as a method to progress to the M48A2 G A2 which is already in the game and will take the place of the Tiger II (105), it is set to be very similar to the M48 already in the American Tree armed with a 90mm cannon and will be placed at a BR of 7.7. The M48A2 G A2 will move up to rank VI with a BR of 8.3 and the DM23 shell to compensate. However, given its lack of stabilizer, it may prove interesting to play.
Probably the controversial replacement of the Flakpanzer 341, the Ostwind II comes with the same armament, but not the same survivability as the Flakpanzer 341. The history behind this vehicle is that it was developed in conjunction with the Flakpanzer 341, but unlike the Coelian, one prototype was produced and was named the 3.7cm Flakzwilling 44 auf Sfl PzKpfw IV. An order was placed for 100 of these vehicles, however, outside the single prototype, no further vehicles are known to have been produced.
Tech Tree positions:
The Inevitable Questions:
As is common with tanks being reshuffled, the questions arise of what will happen to these tanks if I: a. Have them researched and b. Don’t have them researched.
A: If you have them researched you will keep them in the main tree just like previously hidden vehicles like the Po-2 and the Gladiators
B: If you don’t have them researched, but start progress you will still be able to research them after 1.91 is implemented. If, however, you do not start research before 1.91 these vehicles will be hidden and will most likely only become available again during future events.
What are your thoughts on the Tech Tree changes? Do you think other vehicles should get the same treatment? Feel free to discuss and I shall keep you all updated on War Thunder 1.91 news that will be coming in the following weeks.